This must be a sad day for England

TerriBull I hadn't seen the Conservative Woman headline until after I had replied to your post. I'm relieved that you think TR is a thug. I'm disappointed with current politicians but the thought of going on a march with the likes of TR fills me with horror, I'd rather slash my wrists with a rusty knife!
I still can't get anyone to tell me why people would follow him and at no point have I questioned either their intelligence or motivation, I'd just like to know how they think marching with TR brings either a more united Britain or shows their pride in being English but no one seems to know.

As someone married to a non Muslim - atheist - but a man who was born into a Muslim family, so we have Muslim members of the family and Muslim friends. Find it offensive that so many on here talk with open prejudice about a group of people they have judged by the few headline grabbing Islamic extremists. The majority of Muslims - and I really shouldn’t have to say this, it should be widely known - live among us and cause no problems whatsoever. Our grandchildren will sit next to them at school and make friends with them, they will be taught by teachers who are Muslim, Muslim parents will take part in fund raising events to support said school.
We work with them, buy stuff in their shops, and have them as neighbours, when we go to hospital we will be treated by Muslim doctors, and cared for by Muslim nurses. None of this will cause any of us any problems. These are ordinary people, obeying the laws, who see themselves as British and share the same values. Not two headed monsters inflicting Sharia law upon this country. They love their children the same, they want them to have a good education and many go on to have degrees, women as well as men, and become pillars of their community.
Those who hate Muslims the most should try meeting someone who us Muslim and actually talking to them.
They are human beings the same as all of us.
And if anyone had made any of the comments on this thread about Jewish people they would be shot down in flames for being antisemitic. Strangely the same response is not extended to Muslims.
Perhaps we need to think about that.

foxie48

"Tommy Robinson: Britain’s 21st century Wat Tyler" headlines in Conservative Woman, Kathy Gyngell

Really? I mean, really?? He's leading a peasant's rebellion? Well arguably it's better than bashing people at football matches, dealing coke and being in loads of debt (think he probably still is in loads of debt) and all the other nefarious activities he gets up to. If he is "speaking for the silent majority" we are in deep dire trouble. Politically we are in uncertain waters but I genuinely don't think the majority of us are in tune with TR. we are so much better than that and that is what makes me proud to be British.

Well I didn't know about Kathy Gyngell's Wat Tyler reference when I alluded, I might add very tongue in cheek, to him. I won't say great minds think alike, because mine certainly ain't great and I've no idea who she is and what's going on in her brain. I'm not a Tommy Robinson fan or follower, I think he's a thug with very questionable motives. However, there is a feeling of discontent with the ruling class it's always been there as history so often informs us and there have always been those who have courageously put their neck on the line to galvanise a mass protest movement or cynically to manipulate a universal disquiet to the their own ends, which one could probably attribute to TR.

I'm thinking it's best to put Wat Tyler back to bed in the 14th century, given he was of his time and would probably be most perplexed as to 21st century deference to his bravery.

Kathy Gyngell will write more about the protest tomorrow, having exhausted herself on the march.
TR made some good points - 9 million votes for Labour and 20 million no votes at the last election. Recent government policy now has given rights to those seeking to enter the UK which overrule the rights of the indigenous people. Basically immigration numbers are excessive.
Also for the huge crowd, arrests seem low.
I found the comments on Conservative Woman worth reading.

Whitewavemark2

The elite have been defined as the ruling classes.

Yes, for now, but what does that mean? It's rather subjective, isn't it?

In Mao's China, the 'bourgeoisie' included schoolteachers, small employers and 'intellectuals' (another vague term that can be used to include pretty much anyone), and they were publicly humiliated and punished in the name of progress.

We are already hearing 'leftie' used as an insult. What does that mean in this context? Paid up members of the Communist Party? Anyone who's ever been in a union? Labour voters?

When people start picking off groups to persecute it is very easy to move from one to another, and people watching get scared to speak out in case they are next.

Quote MaizieD Sun 14-Sept-25 11:20:00
Primrose53
Anniebach
25 arrests yesterday. 890 arrests Action Palestine ,

It’s so wrong to say of all on the march yesterday ‘thought they were protesting about’, I am sure they knew why they were there
100,000 people on a peaceful protest yesterday. It was reported firstly that 9 people were arrested then later it said 25.
As you say nearly 900 arrested on Action Palestine. 400 at Notting Hill Carnival. Go figure that.

Whatever, It is extremely arrogant of people to suggest that they didn’t know why they were there! 🤣🤣
900 for Notting Hill is incorrect. I posted the figures for bothe events given by the BBC, yesterday.
When comparing like for like, I.e. the number of arrests per 150,00 (I used the higher figure given by the BBC) yesterday's march had the higher number.
W
Triumphal quoting of incorrect numbers is pointless.

Questioning the intelligence of people on a march is acceptable?

"Tommy Robinson: Britain’s 21st century Wat Tyler" headlines in Conservative Woman, Kathy Gyngell

Really? I mean, really?? He's leading a peasant's rebellion? Well arguably it's better than bashing people at football matches, dealing coke and being in loads of debt (think he probably still is in loads of debt) and all the other nefarious activities he gets up to. If he is "speaking for the silent majority" we are in deep dire trouble. Politically we are in uncertain waters but I genuinely don't think the majority of us are in tune with TR. we are so much better than that and that is what makes me proud to be British.

Primrose53

Anniebach

25 arrests yesterday. 890 arrests Action Palestine ,

It’s so wrong to say of all on the march yesterday ‘thought they were protesting about’, I am sure they knew why they were there

100,000 people on a peaceful protest yesterday. It was reported firstly that 9 people were arrested then later it said 25.
As you say nearly 900 arrested on Action Palestine. 400 at Notting Hill Carnival. Go figure that.

Whatever, It is extremely arrogant of people to suggest that they didn’t know why they were there! 🤣🤣

900 for Notting Hill is incorrect. I posted the figures for bothe events given by the BBC, yesterday.
When comparing like for like, I.e. the number of arrests per 150,00 (I used the higher figure given by the BBC) yesterday's march had the higher number.

Triumphal quoting of incorrect numbers is pointless.

Quote Babs03 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:38:07
Anniebach
Agree * Primrose* I didn’t like the questioning of the intelligence of those taking part
Annie you are aware that Tommy Robinson (Yaxley Lennon) and his ilk are antisemitic and Holocaust deniers?
Jewish leaders in London recently asked for TR to not be allowed to join a march against anti semitism for this very reason.
Am mystified by your responses for this reason.

If you had read my response why ask me about antisemitism and the Holocaust?
I spoke of a poster who had questioned the I intelligence of those on the march

There, I’ve done it for you.

Schools across England have received letters opposing the teaching of relationships and sex education (RSE) and LGBT equality, the BBC has learned.
Protests started in Birmingham and letters, predominantly from conservative Muslims, have been sent to a number of schools elsewhere.
One campaigner said relationship lessons due to start in schools in 2020, external "proselytise a homosexual way of life".

Annie you are aware that Tommy Robinson (Yaxley Lennon) and his ilk are antisemitic and Holocaust deniers? Jewish leaders in London recently asked for TR to not be allowed to join a march against anti semitism for this very reason. Am mystified by your responses for this reason

He hates Muslims; therefore he loves Jews?

I’m not accusing AB of this simplistic sort of thinking - just putting it out there.

When the Islamophobe has turned ‘enough’ citizens against Muslims, who will he hate next?

Food for thought isn’t it🤔

Babs03
Muslim parents were protesting outside a primary school not that long ago about homosexuality being spoken about in school.
Look it up if you don’t believe me.
But report my post if you like.
Not sure what you’d be reporting but go ahead.

foxie48

Galaxy

Because they looked at what the other side has to offer and say, and made a choice.

But what is the choice? This is what totally mystifies me and I'm yet to see anyone giving a response, except "I am sure they knew why they were there". I still don't know why they were there. Comparing Tommy Robinson and Farage to Wat Tyler is IMO a bit of a joke, both TR and Farage are funded by wealthy people on the far right of politics, TR has received money from Elon Musk and Tristan Tate amongst others. Farage has received £5m from donors who represent businesses like fossil fuels, financial services, tax havens etc poor Wat Tyler must be turning in his grave! The poor and dispossessed should ask themselves if their modern day hero's are being funded by people who care absolutely nothing for the poor, what's in it for them?

Blimey! I wouldn't take my Watt Tyler analogy too seriously foxie, who knows whether he'd be turning in his grave how much was known about him anyway other than he led a revolt against the collection of an un-affordable poll tax, and well didn't history repeat itself on that score in the Thatcher years. Anyway moving on, I believe he wanted social and economic reform but given we can't transpose him to the right now and how he would react to our own ruling class, I was merely using his uprising against the strictures and intransigence of the time he lived in and that of our own deaf eared politicians.

Aveline

Ask yourselves what has provoked the Islamophobia? Something has. We have many people of other faiths and religions here but who do not make such demands or make such provocative statements as some Muslim groups do but just quietly get on with living.
This Yaxley Lennon person is not very impressive but he's certainly struck a nerve with many, many people no matter how much opprobrium is piled on him.

Quite!

Over my lifetime I've been quite happy taking part in Buddhist, Sikh and pagan things - as they seem to just "share" their ways and don't push it. Cue for "Thanks very much - I'll join in and share with you then..." on my part.

Quite interesting to speculate how many of the protestors and supporters of the populist movement , will suddenly “find god”

Perhaps that will be the next movement. I suppose they will be welcome by the evangelical movement in the U.K.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

65 Sharia courts in England for a start. Reported in the Daily Mail yesterday. I mentioned them months ago and was shot down on here. We should ALL be bound by only one law in the UK. A Muslim professor was saying the same thing on television a few days ago. He was horrified by their existence HERE. Totally unnecessary he said even for civil disputes amongst neighbours and cousins.

I've never really understood just why they've introduced their Sharia courts here. I've heard some Muslims say they want that for us too - and there's the "short walk off the long bridge" route for them to take. We will never take them seriously - and I'm very surprised any of them do. I just see them as puppet debating chambers for men with blown-up opinions of themselves and, even if I were the only British person left in Britain, I literally wouldnt attend and would just ignore anything they said and think "Proper justice in proper courts - or forget it...".

Maremia

It's not even his real name.

Can't say I'm a fan of the guy - but I do think it shows a total lack of understanding of the thinking that newspapers can't resist putting his deadname up beside it. I don't know what background he comes from - but I guess the point the papers are trying to make is "not yours" to many of the marchers. He self-identifies as working class and picked a name to match - and, as far as I can see, he is accepted as what he wishes to be iyswim.

On the other hand - think of Tony Benn back in the day - and he was accepted as what he self-identified as. Or there was the Lord I knew (vaguely) way back when and cue for he gave a lot of it away and I recall him giving me a long lift in a perfectly ordinary car and him requesting I made us a packed lunch for my petrol money - his voice and his posture gave him away - but he was accepted.

That doesn't actually work as a way of thinking to say "Na na na - I've exposed you". Because - from what I see up on Youtube videos for instance - people expect to be accepted and are accepted as their "chosen background". There's two younger Pakistani women that I think were born in England and they both certainly regard themselves as "British" and that is how they are regarded/treated - because that's the way they act and speak (yep...they've integrated in other words). There's an Iranian man as well that has spent most of his life here and describes himself as British and I grin every time he refers to "us British" and puts up yet another Union Jack flag - and he is obviously accepted as British iyswim though his parents arent.

Every women involved in the gender debate knows what protesters wearing masks mean. If those are the people on that side then again not for me.
The debate is as far as I can see lost, but if there is any chance of winning it maybe disparaging flags and crosses isn't the way to go.

Whitewavemark2

I see Musk’s call was for a Revolution.

Well good luck with that😄.

Don’t forget that it was financed largely by wealthy Americans who would support people like Kirk and other Christian nationalists, nd of course Trump, so the giving out of crosses should be no surprise, although I suspect they were a surprise to most of those on the demonstration 😄

Probably influenced by Jayda Fransen and her supporters.

The website Conservative Woman has a video of Tommy Robinson addressing the crowd yesterday. Worth checking out.

StripeyGran

Primrose53

I noticed most of the counter protestors, as usual, had their faces covered. Black masks as usual.

Because somebody will come after them and kick the out of them? Possibly?

Ridiculous.

I see Musk’s call was for a Revolution.

Well good luck with that😄.

Don’t forget that it was financed largely by wealthy Americans who would support people like Kirk and other Christian nationalists, nd of course Trump, so the giving out of crosses should be no surprise, although I suspect they were a surprise to most of those on the demonstration 😄

Kandinsky

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

Eh? Who is "your" as in "your side"?

If that was directed at me, I don't take sides. I'm certainly not on the "Muslim side".

I would hope most of us are beyond thinking only in black and white or "my team" versus "your team" as in a football match.

Galaxy

Because they looked at what the other side has to offer and say, and made a choice.

But what is the choice? This is what totally mystifies me and I'm yet to see anyone giving a response, except "I am sure they knew why they were there". I still don't know why they were there. Comparing Tommy Robinson and Farage to Wat Tyler is IMO a bit of a joke, both TR and Farage are funded by wealthy people on the far right of politics, TR has received money from Elon Musk and Tristan Tate amongst others. Farage has received £5m from donors who represent businesses like fossil fuels, financial services, tax havens etc poor Wat Tyler must be turning in his grave! The poor and dispossessed should ask themselves if their modern day hero's are being funded by people who care absolutely nothing for the poor, what's in it for them?