This must be a sad day for England

Kandinsky

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

Well, nice to know why you support TR.
Thus is an Islamophobic response btw but won’t report it because is good to see your true colours.

Yes Growstuff and I do hope that my son's would behave as I expect if anything goes wrong and I'm glad my DD has the protection of marriage.

Anniebach

Agree * Primrose* I didn’t like the questioning of the intelligence of those taking part

Annie you are aware that Tommy Robinson (Yaxley Lennon) and his ilk are antisemitic and Holocaust deniers?
Jewish leaders in London recently asked for TR to not be allowed to join a march against anti semitism for this very reason.
Am mystified by your responses for this reason.

in church

LizzieDrip

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

So they support some religions that hail from the middle east and not others. I wonder if they would welcome Jesus.

LizzieDrip

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

I guess that aligns them more closely with their right-wing "cousins" in the US. Horrific!

theworriedwell

Are not legal marriages that different to couples deciding g they don't need a legal marriages which isn't unusual. I have got children, two are married, two are in long term stable relationships with children, mortgages etc. I look at my sons partners and think they don't have the protection of marriage and generally it is the woman who is vulnerable if it all goes wrong.

Yes, you're correct. Marriage does give some legal protections and I'm not sure that people are aware how vulnerable they are without one. It's not just Muslims who are affected.

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

Good post TerriBull I think you have nailed the current situation.

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

I'm agreeing with various points made by MOnica and Whitewave but particularly in regard to a lofty elite which encompasses many walks of life and are so removed from much of the electorate.

Farage, who has a way of resonating and connecting and possibly that was best illustrated in his own triumph over sneery Dame Alison Rose when he was de banked and scored a resounding victory over her unbelievable own goal when she nailed herself by her stupid indiscretion. I have to admit in that context I was very much on team Farage, whilst highlighting his own dilemma he then brought into the public domain how many others had suffered the same fate, without a bank account it's impossible to operate in this day and age, but worst of all why are banks even there as moral arbiters they are nobody's friend and in many contexts their behaviour, not just recently but often historically, has been completely immoral.

Would I trust Farage in government though? almost certainly not, there's no way I would consider that Reform had the wherewithal to run the country, but then perhaps that accusation could be levied at the present and previous administration. It's very easy to imbue the public with all the answers when the opposition, which right now is Reform, are on the ascendant, until the reality of being at the helm kicks in.

My opinion of the Farages and the Tommy Robinsons is they are a 21st century versions of Watt Tyler spearheading the peasants who are still revolting and they always will be when the seat of power doesn't listen, we don't have to go back to the 14th century to know that's a fact, but Starmer could be swept away just as Richard ll was by Henry Bolingbroke. I don't know why politicians don't heed the lessons of history, the revolutions in France and Russia both so bloody, didn't end well for the rulers there. Although I tend to think that the British aren't quite as reactionary as say the French nevertheless with the number of agent provocateurs from both ends of the political spectrum I believe there is a gathering momentum of discontent which threatens to boil over which of course is worrying.

Farage whether one likes it or not has a certain charisma as opposed to Starmer's grey automaton delivery which isn't particularly inspiring, neither have both he and his ministers, with their entitlement as to freebies. Lord Alli of the freebie debacle, is again in the news, just like his namesake Rasharna Ali, previous Homelessness Minister has also excelled himself recently in evicting tenants before hiking the rent. They both know the legislation regarding that coming down the line, but hey ho, all that, well it's for the little people. It's the political elite once again their duplicity and hypocrisy knows no bounds, do they think they can keep these matters out of the public domain? Fools! they besmirch their party and the decent MPs because whatever we assume, there are some.

I think one of the worst things about this government thus far, is the financial incompetence of the Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, there doesn't seem to be anybody in government who has run a small to medium size business, and they certainly aren't listening to the advice from the business sector. Productivity doesn't come from lawyers, academics or trade unionists.

Are not legal marriages that different to couples deciding g they don't need a legal marriages which isn't unusual. I have got children, two are married, two are in long term stable relationships with children, mortgages etc. I look at my sons partners and think they don't have the protection of marriage and generally it is the woman who is vulnerable if it all goes wrong.

Babs03

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Lest we forget what the car right are famous or infamous for.

That poem came to my mind and then there it was.

petra

growstuff
As your aware not all Muslim Marriages are conducted as your daughters was.
This solicitor claims ( from her own experience) that over 80% of British Muslims age under 30 have an unregistered Muslim marriage.
The consequences of this can be devastating.

www.ainakhanlaw.com/muslim-marriage-project-survey/

That link just proves what I wrote. Sharia weddings are worth nothing in UK law. The weddings themselves are conducted in exactly the same way my daughter's was - the difference is that my daughter had a civil wedding with registrar as well.

The intellectually challenged wombats who claim that Sharia Law is taking over are talking nonsense. Sharia Law never supersedes UK law. It sounds as though some Muslims need to be educated about the legality of weddings, but no non-Muslim would ever want a Sharia wedding.

Agree * Primrose* I didn’t like the questioning of the intelligence of those taking part

It was on our news tonight. A lot of people marching - I have never seen so many people, even when we marched against Blair and the invasion of Iraq. Things are crook in Toolarook as they say. There are reasons people are feeling they have to march and give up their time.

Well yes but the word fascist has been made meaningless, sorry but when I now hear someone called far right I just ignore it, that is dangerous in itself, but when you ( not you personally) label everything far right that is what happens.

Primrose53

I noticed most of the counter protestors, as usual, had their faces covered. Black masks as usual.

Because somebody will come after them and kick the out of them? Possibly?

Anniebach

25 arrests yesterday. 890 arrests Action Palestine ,

It’s so wrong to say of all on the march yesterday ‘thought they were protesting about’, I am sure they knew why they were there

100,000 people on a peaceful protest yesterday. It was reported firstly that 9 people were arrested then later it said 25.
As you say nearly 900 arrested on Action Palestine. 400 at Notting Hill Carnival. Go figure that.

Whatever, It is extremely arrogant of people to suggest that they didn’t know why they were there! 🤣🤣

What is wrong with being anti fascist, all those who fought in world war II were anti fascist?
Not sure why anyone would find a March against this to be problematic.

Far right not car right 🤨

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Lest we forget what the car right are famous or infamous for.

I noticed most of the counter protestors, as usual, had their faces covered. Black masks as usual.

What on earth is the point of swapping these numbers of arrests?

Because left wingers want to make 25 arrests sound absolutely awful and that the fascist mobs are out of control ( 25 arrests is actually not that many on a march that size ) whilst conveniently ignoring all the arrests on action Palestine demonstrations.

Doodledog

So who do these people see as the ‘elite’? Anyone with their own home? With children in private schools? People with earnings or savings above average? Anyone with a degree?

They are coming for immigrants now, but who will be next?

I agree (and have been saying since Brexit) that sneering at people with different views is what leads to extremism. For years we have been pitted against one another. Young against old, race, rich against poor, religious differences, left against right- it goes on and on. Telling people they don’t understand their own views adds fuel to the fire.

I hope it’s not too late to stop what seems like an inexorable slide, but I doubt it.

Who will be next indeed?
The far right don’t have a great record on human rights hence the call to get rid of the ECHR. But people calling for this should stop and ask themselves ‘what if I or one of mine needs to take our case to such a court?’
Human rights affects all humans.
Am truly surprised at the short sightedness of those jumping on this band wagon.