This must be a sad day for England

growstuff are you aware of the aggressive spread of Islam in African countries? Boko Haram among others. How about the attempt to take over the schools in Birmingham? The mass prayers taking over while streets. How are people supposed to just accept that in their towns and cities? There was absolutely bound to be a backlash.

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So it's irrational to have different opinions?

it is a very sad day and the future is of concern. I am a person of colour, I've lived in this country for over 65 years

This poster had lived experience. Hope that helps.

No more from me, I'm sick of it.

Aveline

Ask yourselves what has provoked the Islamophobia? Something has. We have many people of other faiths and religions here but who do not make such demands or make such provocative statements as some Muslim groups do but just quietly get on with living.
This Yaxley Lennon person is not very impressive but he's certainly struck a nerve with many, many people no matter how much opprobrium is piled on him.

Some people can't cope with differences. Some aren't very good at ownership of problems, so link for scapegoats. There are many reasons; few of them are rational.

I don't find Stripey Gran aggressive, but quite down to earth and realistic.
Waterloo Sunset, I too am sorry and am ashamed that you should have to feel that way, but thank you for speaking out.

It’s a wake up call for the government in case they haven’t yet got the message that immigration in the UK is out of control.

Oreo

StripeyGran

Oreo

Babs03

As usual the crowd is turning nasty.
If this is what people are proud of they need to have a good few words with themselves.

Actually the police have had to put up with suchlike behaviour from pro Palestine protesters too, even just last week, they were spat on and shoved and jeered at with the most awful insults.
Just to be clear.

Bingo! Knew it wouldn't be long.

Pathetic.

Just to be very very clear

I do wonder what your problem is StripeyGran as you are so aggressive.
I have stated facts, you may not like them.🤔

I humbly suggest you have never come across real aggression, if you think that post is aggressive.

Name-calling is never praiseworthy.

Ask yourselves what has provoked the Islamophobia? Something has. We have many people of other faiths and religions here but who do not make such demands or make such provocative statements as some Muslim groups do but just quietly get on with living.
This Yaxley Lennon person is not very impressive but he's certainly struck a nerve with many, many people no matter how much opprobrium is piled on him.

I understand that the patriot " getting our country back " Mr Yaxley Lennon lives and pays his taxes abroad.

every thread on this subject is literally identical!

I like facts. Let's share some on Sharia Law perhaps?

StripeyGran

Kandinsky

It’s like Groundhog Day on here recently.
Everyday, the same people saying the same things.

Poster A) ‘Yay! Fly the flags’

‘Poster B). Racist!’

That’s basically all you get.

Thankfully we have at least 2 people who actually have lived experience and know what they are talking about.

Lived experience of what exactly?

Kandinsky yep, it’s a merrygoround with the merry bit😄

Babs03

“And it’s really scary that Sharia courts are allowed in England they should be banned!”

And this is the level of debate we have been reduced to. Open Islamophobia parading as justified indignation. The fact that most Muslims in this country have nothing whatsoever to do with Sharia law will obviously make no inroads.
And this will be the calibre of mist who are on this racist March.
Disgusting.

How do you know that “most Muslims in this country have nothing to do with Sharia law”??

There are unofficial Sharia councils in this country and many fear that they are discriminatory towards women.

Do you really have to be so nasty???

StripeyGran

Oreo

Babs03

As usual the crowd is turning nasty.
If this is what people are proud of they need to have a good few words with themselves.

Actually the police have had to put up with suchlike behaviour from pro Palestine protesters too, even just last week, they were spat on and shoved and jeered at with the most awful insults.
Just to be clear.

Bingo! Knew it wouldn't be long.

Pathetic.

Just to be very very clear

I do wonder what your problem is StripeyGran as you are so aggressive.
I have stated facts, you may not like them.🤔

Waterloosunset

Yes I absolutely agree Bluebelle, it is a very sad day and the future is of concern. I am a person of colour, I've lived in this country for over 65 years. My parents and my siblings gave everything to this country and looking at the scenes, I wonder for what? When we arrived in 1960 we were told to get back to where we belong. Maybe we should have done but it was ok for the British to take over our country once. We worked hard, we had good jobs and we thought we were accepted. More fool us, I see now that things have not changed. I hate how we are being made to feel. Slowly but surely, bit by bit, this country is returning to those days. Of course when challenged, racism is being denied. All with the false words of "oh we don't mean you, you are like the rest of us. No we mean the others".
What a slippery slope this country is in and I am both heartbroken and angry. I can only hold onto the fact that there are so many good British people who don't want to be part of this and I thank them and I can see from GN who they are.

So sorry.

Kandinsky

It’s like Groundhog Day on here recently.
Everyday, the same people saying the same things.

Poster A) ‘Yay! Fly the flags’

‘Poster B). Racist!’

That’s basically all you get.

Thankfully we have at least 2 people who actually have lived experience and know what they are talking about.

Crowd behaviour from just about any cause or reason tends to get out of hand by a few unfortunately.
There were around a hundred thousand in the Unite The Kingdom crowd.

Oreo

Babs03

As usual the crowd is turning nasty.
If this is what people are proud of they need to have a good few words with themselves.

Actually the police have had to put up with suchlike behaviour from pro Palestine protesters too, even just last week, they were spat on and shoved and jeered at with the most awful insults.
Just to be clear.

Bingo! Knew it wouldn't be long.

Pathetic.

Just to be very very clear

It’s like Groundhog Day on here recently.
Everyday, the same people saying the same things.

Poster A) ‘Yay! Fly the flags’

‘Poster B). Racist!’

That’s basically all you get.

Babs03

As usual the crowd is turning nasty.
If this is what people are proud of they need to have a good few words with themselves.

Actually the police have had to put up with suchlike behaviour from pro Palestine protesters too, even just last week, they were spat on and shoved and jeered at with the most awful insults.
Just to be clear.

StripeyGran

Your friends are attacking the police now.

*Officers attacked with projectiles thrown from 'Unite the Kingdom' crowd
A group of protesters at today's "Unite the Kingdom" protests in London have attacked police officers, the Metropolitan Police said*

Well, what a surprise!

Yes I absolutely agree Bluebelle, it is a very sad day and the future is of concern. I am a person of colour, I've lived in this country for over 65 years. My parents and my siblings gave everything to this country and looking at the scenes, I wonder for what? When we arrived in 1960 we were told to get back to where we belong. Maybe we should have done but it was ok for the British to take over our country once. We worked hard, we had good jobs and we thought we were accepted. More fool us, I see now that things have not changed. I hate how we are being made to feel. Slowly but surely, bit by bit, this country is returning to those days. Of course when challenged, racism is being denied. All with the false words of "oh we don't mean you, you are like the rest of us. No we mean the others".
What a slippery slope this country is in and I am both heartbroken and angry. I can only hold onto the fact that there are so many good British people who don't want to be part of this and I thank them and I can see from GN who they are.

Babs03

“And it’s really scary that Sharia courts are allowed in England they should be banned!”

And this is the level of debate we have been reduced to. Open Islamophobia parading as justified indignation. The fact that most Muslims in this country have nothing whatsoever to do with Sharia law will obviously make no inroads.
And this will be the calibre of mist who are on this racist March.
Disgusting.

My daughter had two weddings: one a Sharia wedding in a mosque; the other was a civil wedding in a hotel.

Neither my daughter or her husband believe in any god.

The mosque wedding was to keep his parents and grandparents happy - as many people in the UK have had church weddings to please their relatives.

The wedding entailed going to a mosque, where the imam spoke to my daughter and her husband-to-be. There was no coercion to become a Muslim. The imam was aware that my son-in-law is not a practising Muslim. The imam spoke to my son-in-law about what was expected of a husband ie looking after his wife and protecting her. I expect it seems quite quaint and sexist, but nothing intimidating.

A document was then signed, involving all the males. My son-in-law promised to look after his wife. If he ever wants to divorce her, he has to pay my daughter's father £10. That's it! It can't be enforced in British law and, moreover, doesn't overwrite my daughter's rights. If they do want to divorce, my daughter can still go to a British court and argue her case for maintenance, just as everybody else can.

This whole Sharia Law trope is nonsense.

Be honest a lot of the "supporters " go for a good kicking and a good fight.
How can you support them. !!