This must be a sad day for England

As predicted, Nigel Farage has announced the defection of Danny Kruger from the Conservative Party to Reform. There’s a press conference going on just now. Kruger will spearhead the way Reform will set up in government….. Old Etonian and Oxbridge. Very good at presentation….

Nigel Farage does the best Muppet expressions…. Kruger must be a coup for Reform?

Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

Good question Eloethan.

I look forward to the answer.

Eloethan Absolutely right, Well, we know were TR was for quite a lot of the time, in prison for various offences.

Good point

According to Steve Lee, apparently there was no racist dimension to the TR demo but people were primarily demonstrating against our "pathetic, useless government".

I am not impressed with our government either but it is not responsible for the complete shambles that we find ourselves in now. We have had 14 years of Conservative incompetence and corruption, leaving every single public service in a parlous state and our economy in tatters. Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

Christina Patterson said on Sky News that some people on the march were carrying some pretty nasty placards. I’d love to know what they said.

Maremia

Would love to know who all the reasonable marchers hope will 'bring their country back ' for them?

I suspect it’s a vain hope. Possibly no one really believes or trusts the people in power.

Oreo

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

I would imagine there are Scottish and Welsh people living in and near London. Not sure the flags prove people travelled a long way.

I find it very sad that "ordinary"people think they will "unite" behind an organisation which is being led by someone like Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson is about division and hatred and although I don't think they are stupid, I do think they should educate themselves with regard to fascism, scapegoating, which is a commonly used tactic by fascists and also what the government has actually been doing to reduce the level of immigration which is a lot more than was done by the previous government.

Would love to know who all the reasonable marchers hope will 'bring their country back ' for them?

Good question, Cossy.

I grew up up in London. All my life I have been hearing this anti-migrant racist b*llshit. We don’t want Italians coming here. We don’t want Greeks coming here, We don’t want Cypriots, We don’t want Turks. We don’t want Irish, West Indians, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Kenyans, Ugandans, Rumanians, Poles, Ukranians … (YL has an Irish mother).

He has been peddling his racist poison for two decades.

Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?

Is Yaxley Lennon rallying the masses? 110,000 to 150,000 at a protest? More people attended four London Premiership football matches on Saturday. Every weekday, over a milllion people commute into central London to work.

Let’s be honest. YL thinks he speaks for white people. 82% of the UK population decribes itself as white British or white other. That’s over 58 million people from a population of 70 million. Where were they on Saturday?

The majority of these protesters wave and drape themselves in the George flag and claim to want to Unite the Kingdom. It’s the England flag. It doesn’t represent Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland although I note reports that there were some flags depicting the saltaire and dragon.

The last time I looked, King Charles was the monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 Commonwealth realms, most of those with predominantly black populations. The combined population of the Kingdom is around 3 billion people.

150,000 people following a notorious racist and convicted felon isn't representing or uniting the Kingdom.

The Union flag has a problematic history. Tim Marshall explains it very well in his book Worth Dying For. The Power and the Politics of Flags. The flag shows Scotland and Northern Ireland as subservient to England. It doesn’t depict Wales at all.

It was around the time of The Troubles in Northern Ireland that the National Front appropriated both flags. Marshall decribes travelling on a bus in Oxford in the 1980s when Leeds United football supporters yelled out of the windows at black people: There’s no black in the Union Jack. Go back home you b*stards. 45 years on, nothing much has changed, has it?

YL and his slavish followers need to design their own flag. If they did, I wonder what it would depict? Perhaps their leader behind bars again or running for the nearest airport every time the police are on his tail.

They can get a different slogan too. They don’t and never will speak for me or the decent majority. The media may salivate over the antics of YL just as they do over Farage. The majority will just screen out their noise and get on with their lives in multi-cultural communites. I’ve been doing that for 70 years.

Mollygo. Thank you for sharing that brilliant post by Steve Lee. It really sums up what the Majority of marchers were there for. The thugs were just a minority but they will always make the headlines
It’s such a shame that these concerned people are being labelled racists especially by some here on GN

Babs03

Rampant nationalism, never something to celebrate, is not about what is good about the UK, is all about intolerance, prejudice, and racism, masquerading as national pride.
Yaxley Lennon and his thugs are criminals who have been in and out of jail for GBH, domestic violence, and the inciting violence.
If people want to associate themselves with them is their call but they should know just who and what they are supporting.

Actually brown & black faces in the crowd too, from what footage I could see. Are they racists also?

Oreo

Nope, no truth in it at all.TR and his kind will always be just a niche group in the UK.
The British people in the 21st century aren’t Germans from the 1930’s and never will be.
The demonstration on Saturday was just to show their dissatisfaction to government that they must do more to curb immigration.

I hope and pray you are correct 🙏🙏

There were certainly supporters of Yaxley there and in abundance.

However, I do support the right for ANYONE to peacefully protest, so long as it it peaceful. I don’t have to agree with their cause, I respect their right to politely express their dissatisfaction and feelings.

However, it would be good to see some sensible solutions our forward to problems and issues and an acceptance that immigrants are not the cause of all our issues.

karmalady

It is a wonderful day for the United Kingdom. United they stand

TR organised today but not that many are supporters of his. All the flags from the UK are out there. People want their country back and they are showing that today

What exactly is “want our country back” Back from whom and where?

My above reply was to DAR and reading the account by Steve Lee fits what I saw on tv.Ordinary people for the most part.

Nope, no truth in it at all.TR and his kind will always be just a niche group in the UK.
The British people in the 21st century aren’t Germans from the 1930’s and never will be.
The demonstration on Saturday was just to show their dissatisfaction to government that they must do more to curb immigration.

The other side of the coin was presented on my news feed this morning, by someone called Steve Lee.

As a 64 year old "Far Right thug", along with my 67 year old Far Right thug of a wife. We attended the March in London yesterday. I would just like to put what we saw and experienced yesterday out there.
We travelled for two and a half hours by car to attend. With fuel, ULEZ, congestion charge and parking, it wasn't a cheap day out. But we feel strongly that the country Unites, and so put our money where our mouth is and did the over 200 mile round trip.
What we witnessed was truly inspirational. An age range from people pushing baby buggies to people pushing wheel chairs, and every age between.
There was an air of friendship and a shared cause. Flags from the four corners of the nation, as well as Israel, America and many more.
There were ex service men in berry's and medals showing proudly. There were also the Pink ladies there with a stall!
We were held at the start until far after the official start time. But people kept their calm, considering nobody knew the reason, or indeed when we would be allowed to start.
Eventually we were allowed to walk peacefully along. Still laughing and joking in the intermittent rain. Nothing dampening the spirit or atmosphere.
Eventually we got to Westminster bridge. The planned and agreed route. Only to face a line of Police barricading our route. No reason given no diversion given.
The crowd having no route just started to disperse. We turned back down side streets to get back to where we started. We were effectively stopped from getting to the meeting.
Now I've seen footage of scuffles and am not denying that they must have happened. But we saw none of it. And without condoning it. I can see why this may have happened.
One could argue that the Police (bosses) brought it on themselves. Using the old "safety" card. But just to give the counter to the Guardian, BBC,Sky and all of the other usual suspects. What we saw were families (trying) to exercise their right to protest. And the establishment doing all they could to disrupt and stop it.
Like many, many others, shamefully, we couldn't get to the speeches. But we didn't riot or "kick off" because we're NOT far right. Just Right.
Instead, having done our bit. We made our way back to the car and drove two and a half hours back home.
So please don't believe all you see on msm. As usual, they are exaggerating and twisting everything to fit their agenda. It wasn't about T.R. It wasn't about far right. It was about people not being listened to by a pathetic, useless government. People that have had enough. So much so that they feel that the only way to vent their anger is by taking to the streets to protest. Only to be denied that right...again.
Thanks for reading.

Steve Lee

It’s as likely to be true as was the violence. The difference is, the peaceful part doesn’t make headlines.

The writer doesn’t condone the violence. any more than I, or hopefully anyone on GN condones it.
But it’s worrying that so many people today are unhappy with the state of affairs, whether it’s food banks, health, mental health, housing, education, overcrowding, or violence.
So unhappy that they’d even drive 200 miles to protest about it.

Oops. Should have added that they were people who wanted to take over other countries they had no rights to.

It didn't matter what they called themselves Oreo.

They were people who wanted to and did, destroy a liberal democracy.
They were people who wanted to and did rid there country of certain groups.
They were people who devalued women.
They were people who thought riches and power were what they deserved.

They were a comparison I found apt. It seems you have no argument against that, other than personal attacks. That, at this point, makes me suspect you can see the truth in the comparison.

No, were you?

Oreo, still wondering if you were there .

Maremia

Being pedantic Oero, you were first to post the actual word 'Nazis' on this thread.

Being pedantic, the two names mentioned were Nazis.
😁

Tommy Robinson is standing trial again next year for threats against journalists who had disclosed the location of TR’s children.
Life in the UK is getting more surreal by the minute.