This must be a sad day for England

Anyone who thinks that over 100, 000 or whatever the figure is on the Saturday march are all TR devotees or that we are likely to become a fascist State is just so wrong.
It was mainly a way for the British to show their dissatisfaction with the government on the immigration issue.

Being pedantic Oero, you were first to post the actual word 'Nazis' on this thread.

Oh I’m a pedant about these things, TR is at the most a neo nazi, whereas you talk of actual ones, so you still win.

Oreo

You win the trophy 🏆 for the first mention of Nazis on a thread.Congratulations.

Actually that was you Oreo.

You win the trophy 🏆 for the first mention of Nazis on a thread.Congratulations.

Oreo

It wasn’t all about Tommy Robinson, far from it.There were many there according to reports from all walks of life.

Rudolf Hess and Julius Streicher spoke at the Nuremberg rally. Did that change the direction they wanted to take the country towards?

ronib

I read that TR is due for trial in October 2026 for some incident involving two Daily Mail journalists.
His financial backers seem to be in the USA. Interesting that Ben Habib attended and spoke. Wonder how Farage will spin this?

Spot on question, ronib - Farage had banned TR (due credit!)

CariadAgain

Oreo

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

I saw that as very necessary - having Scottish and Welsh flags there for instance. Necessary to make it plain - this isn't just England speaking...it's the whole of Britain.

It isn't the 'whole of Britain' at all. It's a few people in different parts of Britain.

AFAIK an awful lot of Scots want independence and welcome immigration. Many Welsh aren't always too keen on being part of the 'United Kingdom' I doubt if fluttering saltires and welsh dragons on a march with inchoate objectives did much for them.

It does nothing for me, either. I have no intention of being 'united' with anything that the leaders and speakers at that march called for, any more than I intended to 'unite behind Brexit', as advocated a few years ago.

It wasn’t all about Tommy Robinson, far from it.There were many there according to reports from all walks of life.

CariadAgain

Oreo

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

I saw that as very necessary - having Scottish and Welsh flags there for instance. Necessary to make it plain - this isn't just England speaking...it's the whole of Britain.

You’re right, I think I was surprised that they had taken the time to come from all corners of the UK.

It was the same with the marches in support of Palestinians, wasn't it? Generally peaceful, good humoured and people travelled a long way to show their support. The anti racist group out on Saturday was also not out to cause any trouble, just a pity they had to protected by the police from some of the rowdier elements of the Unite crowd who clearly didn't want to be "united" with anyone who was anti racist! I think there's a bit of a clue there about what this rally was really all about, don't you? Honestly you can put a crown on a pig but it's still a pig and TR can change his name (I think he's had four) but underneath all the "unite", "pride in being English" rebranding, he is still the same, Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon that he was when he was a member of the BNP, BFP, EDL and Pergida. His long history of fascist politics and long list of criminal convictions should tell us all exactly what he stands for.

Oreo , were you there as well ?

LizzieDrip

^Anyway we're innocent until found guilty in the UK, unless of course you're an asylum seeker^

Yes, and until the Human Rights Act is abolished by Farage et al.

And replaced by a new sort.

Oreo

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

I saw that as very necessary - having Scottish and Welsh flags there for instance. Necessary to make it plain - this isn't just England speaking...it's the whole of Britain.

Exactly what are you referring to DAR?
Any concrete evidence?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Free speech & courteous debate is to be welcomed on here. ✔️

Is that what you saw at the Tommy Robinson/Elon Musk Rally?

One wants to destroy our way of life and turn it into a real life dystopian Gilead, the other wants to control the world by owning as much as possible physically.

Which are you hoping for FriedGreenTomatoes2?

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

Anyway we're innocent until found guilty in the UK, unless of course you're an asylum seeker

Yes, and until the Human Rights Act is abolished by Farage et al.

I read that TR is due for trial in October 2026 for some incident involving two Daily Mail journalists.
His financial backers seem to be in the USA. Interesting that Ben Habib attended and spoke. Wonder how Farage will spin this?

Apology to Katie Holmes, I of course meant Katie Hopkins!

I've skip read Gyngell's article, tbh I didn't find it impressive regardless of her age ( I'm the same age!). The list of people who she met on the match was enough to tell me all I needed to know. Lauding the likes of Katie Holmes, Dan Whooton, Norman Fenton, John Campbell etc and the pic of her cuddling up to TR tells me that she's not a journalist interested in reporting the unbiased truth of what she sees.
By all means read her report if you are committed to far right politics disguised as something else ( well, whatever gets you worked up but being anti all immigration is good for starters) and you'll get a satisfying hit of dopamine. She estimates 500k were there, I was in that area the previous Saturday and tbh it was hellishly busy then but no way could I have estimated numbers of visitors as I didn't have my drone with me.
She's very keen on TR , apparently he's authentic, modest, engaging and funny, not bitter or angry. I'm all for the rehabilitation of criminals but wasn't he recently arrested on an assault charge but there was insufficient evidence to charge him. Anyway we're innocent until found guilty in the UK, unless of course you're an asylum seeker.

Richard North of Turbulent Times suggests in a very convoluted way a figure of 200,000.
LizzieDrip
Kathy Gynell in Conservative Woman has published her account of the day. A great effort from a 75 year old.

“Police and experts estimate crowd size using several methods, including the Jacobs method (area x density), aerial photography, computer vision with AI algorithms, and estimating how long it takes for the entire crowd to pass a fixed point. Drones, satellites, and CCTV provide visual data, allowing for area measurement and density calculation to arrive at an approximate number.”

Using the above methods, police estimate that between 110k and 150k attended the TR march.

I suppose Ben Habib’s guess suggestion will be more accurate though🤔

What I failed to notice is that Ben Habib of Advance UK spoke at the TR event. Now that could be a clever way of hoovering up some votes? His new party is growing quite quickly and may split the Reform vote? If that’s any consolation. Ben Habib suggests an attendance of 500k on the march.