This must be a sad day for England

All sorts, we don’t ban all kinds of informal or cultural ceremonies. Pagans get married in the woods and many people marry on beaches here or in warmer climes. As with sharia, a registrar service is also needed to make the wedding legal

I think a good deal of what gets said is "sharia law" is actually patriarchal societal customs of some countries or groups. You don't have to look far to see how the same thing happens with other religions, Some of the more extreme American Christians groups are extremely restrictive to women's rights.

Allsorts

Growstuff, I don't think Sharia Law is recognised here and cannot understand why it is allowed. How demeaning for women to go through a Sharia wedding to please relatives, I wouldn't. How can you respect a man that expects that. It is meaningless and shows how unimportant a woman is A church wedding have couples equal. I didn't say obey, not many would. .They should be banned.

People can have non legal ceremonies if they want. I've been invited to pagan weddings in the woods or on a beach. A jumping the broom "wedding". If that is what fits with their beliefs how does it affect anyone else?

Growstuff, I don't think Sharia Law is recognised here and cannot understand why it is allowed. How demeaning for women to go through a Sharia wedding to please relatives, I wouldn't. How can you respect a man that expects that. It is meaningless and shows how unimportant a woman is A church wedding have couples equal. I didn't say obey, not many would. .They should be banned.

Isn't Elon protecting abused girls in the North too?

If he can step away from the horse meds.

“A Derby councillor has been threatened with rape following a council decision to remove Union and St George flags from public spaces.

Councillor Sarah Chambers, who is the city council's cabinet member for communities, equalities and public safety, said she had not left her home for two days following the threat earlier this week, during an interview with Ian Skye on BBC Radio Derby. She has also posted about the incident on social media.”
…and these are the sort of people who pretend to be protecting women and children in this country

In his opening speech at Saturdays march he spoke of immigrants being a danger to women and children tbh he needs to looks closer to home, it would appear rather a lot of his followers who were arrested at a previous protest had convictions for domestic abuse and assault!

Eloethan

What we do have proof of is TR's record for violent disorder.

And stalking women even though he says he’s out there to protect them?

Yay, three posts in a row in agreement...that Stephen Yaxley Lennin has a record for violent disorder.

Eloethan

What we do have proof of is TR's record for violent disorder.

Is anyone disputing that?

What we do have proof of is TR's record for violent disorder.

Mollygo

It’s really funny how far you want to go to prove yourself right.🙏
None of your posts prove that violence never happens at large gatherings. But do feel free to list whatever you want.

You said violence always happens. No one has said it never happens.

It’s really funny how far you want to go to prove yourself right.🙏
None of your posts prove that violence never happens at large gatherings. But do feel free to list whatever you want.

I have been on protest marches too with no sign of violence, but as I said many of T.R's supporters do like a good brawl.

I’ve been on protest marches and there wasn’t violence on a single one.

I can list them if you wish.

Mollygo

The point I was making is that there is always violence from a minority of attendees at any large gathering.
You can analyse it or compare it whichever way you want to prove your point, but unless you are able to evidence that large gatherings never attract hooliganism and violence, then my point remains the same.

So you say there is always violence at large gatherings but if we disagree we have to prove that it never happens. Bit unfair there, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

Mollygo

The point I was making is that there is always violence from a minority of attendees at any large gathering.
You can analyse it or compare it whichever way you want to prove your point, but unless you are able to evidence that large gatherings never attract hooliganism and violence, then my point remains the same.

There isn't always violence at large gatherings. I slept out in a huge crowd to attend Mass when Pope John Paul II came to England. The atmosphere was great, people sharing food and drink and chatting through the night.

I attended and my husband was there as a police officer. He said it was a very boring shift as they couldn't hear it see anything where he was and there was nothing to do.

Are you using that as a “never?”

There was no violence at last year's pro-environmental march, organised by Chris Packham. He made a point of thanking the police for their help. There was quite a crowd, tens of thousands, I think.

The point I was making is that there is always violence from a minority of attendees at any large gathering.
You can analyse it or compare it whichever way you want to prove your point, but unless you are able to evidence that large gatherings never attract hooliganism and violence, then my point remains the same.

Mollygo

You have to compare like with like.

If your figures are for the Notting Hill Carnival, with an estimated attendance of 2 million (police figures) you have to break the arrest figures into per 150,000 to make them a meaningful comparison.

I did that earlier in this thread and got a figure of about 10 arrests per 150,000 attendees. As opposed to 25 for the Unite the UK march.

Police say that 6 of their officers were seriously wounded an Saturday. How many were seriously wounded at Notting Hill?

Yes!

Yes.

Shall we just agree it was a very big crowd?

^I think there was way more than that.
Watched a guy on YouTube, recording the crowd walking down the road as they were being directed. He counted 480,000 before his battery conked out. Still coming down the road 1.5 hrs later so has to be more^

Yeah, that brilliant, tried and tested method of estimating numbers by recording the crowd until your battery conks out, then sticking it on YouTube.

He has to be right - it has to be more than the official estimates.

If people were still coming down the road after 1.5 hrs (WOW) I’d say there were probably about a trillion there!