This is one of many reasons why so many people marched in London.

Allira, deporting illegally immigrant people to a country with bad human rights was a cynical travesty of justice.

I can't evaluate legal matters. What you say is doubtless correct but what do I know. I do think the Home Office could do better at public relations.

Madgran77

*I think Allira, that even more important than getting rid of nasty immigrants is preserving the integrity of our British justice*

What would you see as preserving the integrity of our British Justice in this particular case Caleo? I mean the case of the bloke from Egypt who has been here for 17 months; his terrorist activities not identifued; able to wander freely and therefore able to rape someone in a park.

His terrorist activities were well documented and he had been found guilty and sentenced in an Egyptian court to 7 years in prison for them. He escaped, went to Sudan and Malaysia then Turkey where he was eventually given asylum and then had a wife and child.
He came here to the UK in the back of a lorry.

It shouldn't have been difficult for the HO to ask the Egyptian authorities for documented proof of his terrorist activities there.

Caleo

Allira

Caleo

I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.

Is it a bad idea to deport an illegal immigrant, convicted in his home country but who had escaped before he could serve a prison sentence for terrorist offences?

Or better to keep him in the Hilton Hotel while our Home Office officials shilly-shally about whether he should stay or go, giving him the ability to commit a heinous crime here?

I think Allira, that even more important than getting rid of nasty immigrants is preserving the integrity of our British justice.

Did you not realise that this possibility has been investigated, Caleo? ie renting prison spaces from other countries?

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

Don’t let it worry you Cumbrianmale56 all the namecalling and same old tripe is absolutely meaningless. They know all their arguing is getting them nowhere, that’s why they do this. Trouble is they spit out the same old words that they mean nothing. They are scraping the barrel now.

I have said many times on here that people of all ethnicities object to the migrants coming here on boats when they have had to do it all legally. I watched a TV reporter in Leicester (probably the most multi cultural city in the UK) interviewing, Poles, Lithuanians, Congolese, Indians, West Indians and they all said it was unfair and we should stop letting them all in.

The problem is if you criticise mass immigration or dare to attend a peaceful march about it, you are automatically classed as far Right, a fascist or a bigot. It's all very well these mostly middle class anti racist protestors waving their Refugees Welcome banners and shouting Nazi scum at people, but they mostly live well away from asylum hotels and areas where young migrant men have been a problem.
Interesting fact the Left might be surprised by, there were some black and Asian people on the march last week. It shows that they're sick of unlimited immigration as well,

I think Allira, that even more important than getting rid of nasty immigrants is preserving the integrity of our British justice

What would you see as preserving the integrity of our British Justice in this particular case Caleo? I mean the case of the bloke from Egypt who has been here for 17 months; his terrorist activities not identifued; able to wander freely and therefore able to rape someone in a park.

Lathyrus3

Justice is depicted as holding evenly balanced scales.

If the scales are tilted, that is no longer Justice.

Justice is weighing the evidence. That's the message of the scales. Nothing to do with balance.

If the scales are tilted it's because one set of evidence has more 'weight' than the other.

Justice is depicted as holding evenly balanced scales.

If the scales are tilted, that is no longer Justice.

Allira

Caleo

I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.

Is it a bad idea to deport an illegal immigrant, convicted in his home country but who had escaped before he could serve a prison sentence for terrorist offences?

Or better to keep him in the Hilton Hotel while our Home Office officials shilly-shally about whether he should stay or go, giving him the ability to commit a heinous crime here?

I think Allira, that even more important than getting rid of nasty immigrants is preserving the integrity of our British justice.

Caleo

There is no doubt the government should address public unrest about such concerns as the OP 's.

These concerns should addressed with understanding and suitable language; not only the particular case of Abdelrahmen Abouelela but general unrest.

I agree

eazybee

The sooner we stop obeying the diktats of the ECHR the better, or rather those of the Human Rights Lawyers, of which Starmer was one, the better. It is good that people are beginning to realise that it was not ineptitude that prevented the Conservatives from reducing mass illegal migration as they had promised, but the ECHR.
Starmer's professed policies are at a testing point; it will be interesting to see where his true loyalties lie.

Oh was it this that also led to huge backlogs of claims being processed, millions of ££££ wasted on Rwanda and the money given to the French? Oh and putting asylum seekers in hotels?

AGAA4

Deportation should be automatic if an asylum seeker commits a crime in the UK. They should be given no chance for lawyers to find reasons for them to stay here.

Yes I agree.

However, I don’t agree with tarring everyone with the same brush.

Our entire asylum seeking system needs radical reform (not Reform!) in order to process claims quickly, tighten up appeals process, send those failing their claim and those with violent criminal records and known terrorists back across the channel.

I believe he should be deported to serve out the first prison sentence imposed by an Egyptian court then, over those years, the UK Government might be able to come to an arrangement whereby they can pay for him to serve his next sentence in the Egyptian jail.

Allira

Caleo

I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.

Is it a bad idea to deport an illegal immigrant, convicted in his home country but who had escaped before he could serve a prison sentence for terrorist offences?

Or better to keep him in the Hilton Hotel while our Home Office officials shilly-shally about whether he should stay or go, giving him the ability to commit a heinous crime here?

It’s head in hands time now isn’t it? Why wasn’t he deported back to Egypt the minute he arrived here!

My sympathies lie with the woman who has been raped by this monster.

I honestly do not care where he goes and what happens to him 🤬🤬🤬

Whitewavemark2

This man will be subject to automatic deportation. So back to Egypt he goes and good riddance.

I dont understand why it hasnt happened then rather than "being processed" or whatever for 17 months and then being able to wander around Hyde Park freely and rape someone. That appears to be what has happened and looks so ridiculous it would be laughable if it wasnt so so serious!!

Caleo

I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.

Is it a bad idea to deport an illegal immigrant, convicted in his home country but who had escaped before he could serve a prison sentence for terrorist offences?

Or better to keep him in the Hilton Hotel while our Home Office officials shilly-shally about whether he should stay or go, giving him the ability to commit a heinous crime here?

Caleo, do not agree with you, I think it's about time we got harder on immigration, a lot of working people in this country are quite rightly worried, a lot can't afford food and the basics and see asylum seekers in accomodation they moan are too small. You try paying rent on a low wage. We are being taken for mugs. Anyone that feels so strongly feel free to take one in but I guess they don't do that, it's some one else's problem.

He should be deported to Egypt to serve out the jail term he evaded there first.
The UK had introduced new powers to rent prison cells in other countries but I'm not sure how far this extends or whether a criminal like Abouelela could serve the sentence imposed here in an Egyptian prison.

Stateless people have come from a country of origin, a Kurdish person from Iran is stateless but the country of origin is Iran.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Here we are

Yes, a person with a criminal record may be able to prevent deportation if they have valid legal grounds, such as a Human Rights Convention (ECHR) claim under Article 8 (for a strong connection to family and community in the UK) or Article 3 (risk of torture in the home country), refugee status. The success of such a challenge depends on factors like the severity of the crime, the length of the sentence, and the strength of the individual's ties to the UK, requiring specialist legal advice to assess the specific case.

He has been here for 17 months, not sure that gives him strong ties to the UK

The strong ties are sure,y with his wife and child in Turkey…

Yes I can’t see that he has any strong ties. But I’m not sure it will be fought on that tbh. I think it is more likely to be fought on the risk of torture, which is widespread in Egypt.

What happens to people who are effectively stateless?

Caleo

I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.

I am with JenniferEccles.

Caleo

The long time it has taken to examine the case of a refugee is the opposite of shameful. I am proud of my country that it has fair laws and moral justice system.

As admiral as your sentiments are I’m sorry to say they are misplaced.
The time taken to examine this migrants case wasn’t down to the HO making sure they had it right, it was down to sheer incompetence.
The HO doesn’t have a second gear.

eazybee

^I will continue to be forthright about bad ideas.^

As will Jennifer Eccles.

It would be good if we could be forthright about bad ideas if we can also say why they are bad. Good people can have bad ideas.