Whitewavemark2
This man will be subject to automatic deportation. So back to Egypt he goes and good riddance.
Exactly.
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(156 Posts)Another dangerous illegal immigrant being housed courtesy of the British tax payer.
Abdelrahmen Abouelela was in a bomb making cell in Egypt, they were planning terrorist attacks.
He found his way to Turkey where he now has a wife and child.
He left them and arrived illegally in the UK
Home Office officials spent 17 months pondering over whether or not to grant his asylum application, despite apparently knowing of his bomb-making conviction, before he raped the vulnerable woman in Hyde Park last November.
17 months to decide if should be granted asylum……this should have taken 17 seconds and now a poor woman has been raped.
I would love to know how much this man will have cost us by the time he ends his prison sentence then approaches the ECHR and will no doubt avoid deportation.
There are parts of RCHR that I find difficult. Protecting the human rights of a rapist while the victim's rights are ignored. A woman's whole life can be blighted by rape.
I think ECHR should stay but this part needs a rethink.
How worried can an individual be about being returned to their home country and possible torture if they commit a serious crime such as rape? Surely they would keep their noses clean if they were concerned in that respect. If it isn't bad enough he is potentially dangerous through his bomb making activities, lawyers sometimes put up a defence in sexual crimes along the lines , "oh they didn't really understand the expectations that they weren't supposed to do that here"
Whitewavemark2
AGAA4
Deportation should be automatic if an asylum seeker commits a crime in the UK. They should be given no chance for lawyers to find reasons for them to stay here.
That’s what I think, but I am also a strong supporter of the rule of law.
Change the law.
Then you can still support it.
Well, there may be a case to tweak the ECHR, in order to protect our citizens, but much cleverer lawyers will argue why this should not be done, which may persuade me otherwise.
But I still come down on the side protecting the whole of us. Getting rid of it for the tiniest minority makes zero sense to me.
Whitewavemark2
What I am very worried about is that cases like this and others are being used to leave the ECHR.
Throwing the baby out with the bath water gets us absolutely nowhere except governments being able to do stuff to its population that the ECHR protects us from.
I am torn over the entire leave/stay in the ECHR debate.
It does protect us all however, like you post WWM2 when it inhibits a government from protecting its citizens from the person mentioned in the OP it really is a case of the law is an ass
AGAA4
Deportation should be automatic if an asylum seeker commits a crime in the UK. They should be given no chance for lawyers to find reasons for them to stay here.
That’s what I think, but I am also a strong supporter of the rule of law.
GrannyGravy13
Whitewavemark2
Here we are
Yes, a person with a criminal record may be able to prevent deportation if they have valid legal grounds, such as a Human Rights Convention (ECHR) claim under Article 8 (for a strong connection to family and community in the UK) or Article 3 (risk of torture in the home country), refugee status. The success of such a challenge depends on factors like the severity of the crime, the length of the sentence, and the strength of the individual's ties to the UK, requiring specialist legal advice to assess the specific case.He has been here for 17 months, not sure that gives him strong ties to the UK
The strong ties are sure,y with his wife and child in Turkey…
Yes I can’t see that he has any strong ties. But I’m not sure it will be fought on that tbh. I think it is more likely to be fought on the risk of torture, which is widespread in Egypt.
Deportation should be automatic if an asylum seeker commits a crime in the UK. They should be given no chance for lawyers to find reasons for them to stay here.
What I am very worried about is that cases like this and others are being used to leave the ECHR.
Throwing the baby out with the bath water gets us absolutely nowhere except governments being able to do stuff to its population that the ECHR protects us from.
Whitewavemark2
Here we are
Yes, a person with a criminal record may be able to prevent deportation if they have valid legal grounds, such as a Human Rights Convention (ECHR) claim under Article 8 (for a strong connection to family and community in the UK) or Article 3 (risk of torture in the home country), refugee status. The success of such a challenge depends on factors like the severity of the crime, the length of the sentence, and the strength of the individual's ties to the UK, requiring specialist legal advice to assess the specific case.
He has been here for 17 months, not sure that gives him strong ties to the UK
The strong ties are sure,y with his wife and child in Turkey…
For those concerned about the length of time it takes to process an asylum claim, the new Minister, can't remenber her name, is starting to act on that.
He was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
www.lbc.co.uk/article/hyde-park-rape-migrant-convicted-terrorist-5HjdDCW_2/
Interesting that on the BBC website this story failed to mention his links to terrorism, just the rape.
Here we are
Yes, a person with a criminal record may be able to prevent deportation if they have valid legal grounds, such as a Human Rights Convention (ECHR) claim under Article 8 (for a strong connection to family and community in the UK) or Article 3 (risk of torture in the home country), refugee status. The success of such a challenge depends on factors like the severity of the crime, the length of the sentence, and the strength of the individual's ties to the UK, requiring specialist legal advice to assess the specific case.
TerriBull
Meant to add Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Egypt, will that be grounds not to extradite him there remains to be seen.
In this case I really do not care where he goes as long as it is far away from these shores…
Some people do fear for the future, but what on earth makes them believe that chancers like Farage and Stephen Yaxley Lennin will make it any better?
What proof do they have of any 'good' that they have done?
Meant to add Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Egypt, will that be grounds not to extradite him there remains to be seen.
Will he be sent back to Egypt though, if he's a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood and was a suspect in bomb making? If lawyers deem he may be subject to torture they'll fight his case. Turkey didn't grant him asylum, more sense. The unremarkable thing about those who, are no doubt a minority, wanting safe haven and then go on to commit a serious crime such as rape, they treat soft touch countries such as us with our coterie of lawyers willing to fight their cases, as a ridiculous soft touch.
fancythat
And people will still find ways with their, what appear to be oh so clever words, to try and defend this type of thing.
With questioning "facts", with scoffing, with , "but look at this that and the other instead", with, "well the other government did and does such and such", with attacks on what the person stating such things is saying, with calls of racism, with slurs on whatever angles they can find.
Who has defended this sort of thing? I have never seen anyone post in support of rapists claiming asylum. Or terrorist.
OP, it seems insane that his bomb making activities were known and not only was he not arrested but he was granted asylum and the intelligence about his activities shared with the press. Surely this will hinder future investigations?
Where is he now, and what are the plans for him?
Dreadful
This man will be subject to automatic deportation. So back to Egypt he goes and good riddance.
And people will still find ways with their, what appear to be oh so clever words, to try and defend this type of thing.
With questioning "facts", with scoffing, with , "but look at this that and the other instead", with, "well the other government did and does such and such", with attacks on what the person stating such things is saying, with calls of racism, with slurs on whatever angles they can find.
Couldn't agree more with all of the above. Absolutely shameful.
And this is the reason why so many are hanging on Farage's every word and why so many dance to Tommy Robinson's tune. There is another post on here with GN's outraged by these 2 characters. Whether you detest them both , having a sneaking admiration for their patriotism or wholeheartedly support them, it doesn't matter because a growing number of people are scared. They see what is happening to the UK and can do nothing about it. They fear for the future. Unless the judicial system changes in favour of the UK and not the migrant then nothing will change and not even Farage and his airy promises will be able to stop the influx.
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