Islamophobia

All words are made up.

Islamophobia to me is a made up word.
I take it as meaning ‘being against the religion of Islam’.

It is a made-up word as you say and it does not, in fact, make much sense.

A phobia is a fear, a disorder which can cause physical symptoms and even a panic attack.

So, technically, Islamophobia means a fear of the Islamic religion whether rational or not.
Anti-semitism is hostility and hatred of the Jewish people, also whether rational or not.

So they have different meanings.

Thanks for the link growstuff very
interesting that Yaxley Lennon is being funded by supporters of Israel.

I have listened a but harder recently to what Kemi Badenoch has been saying

I start agreeing with her.
Yes, yes to what she says.
Then she ends it with "and the conservatives will do....." and I almost want to scream.
They had their chances and blew it, as far as I am concerned.
I am aware she was not the Leader back then. But even so.

I cant quite get over the hurdle of what actually happened when they were actually in power.

^If people are concerned that the main UK political parties aren't listening to them, they should be more concerned about who is apparently listening and why.

^

Possibly.

But people want hope.

Hope has become scarce or not forthcoming any more.

But at least and last, many have now woken up to what the conservatives and Labour[up to now] have not delivered.

Hope is a very enticing and powerful word.

I find it so strange that people complain that people from a different ethnic group don't "integrate" but when they try to, it's often exactly the same people who complain about them moving into "their" area. They can't win, can they?

An article from 2019 in The Times of Israel, which mentions Robinson, Shillman and some others.

www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/

If people are concerned that the main UK political parties aren't listening to them, they should be more concerned about who is apparently listening and why.

Islamophobia to me is a made up word.

I take it as meaning ‘being against the religion of Islam’.
That to me is fair enough. Religious zealotry mixed with medieval practices and punishments, males only called to prayer, imams while maybe not spreading hate are certainly not on a platform demonising the hot headed Muslims who are vehemently against our Western values.

I do have to ask myself why they come? Why are they here if they don’t want to integrate?

Now Islamophobia (to me) does not mean Muslim-ophobia.

See? It’s stupid.
Of course I don’t hate Muslims. If they are Good People.

I like being around good souls, whatever their colour or creed.

Bad, nasty vicious people come in all shapes and sizes (and colours). All different religions too.

Sectarianism raises its head in many guises in our country. I abhor all of it.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

Yes, but that appears to be a recent addition.

SYL has been around for years, I hazard a guess that he hasn’t been self funding for all that time.

According to this article in the Observer, it was somebody called Robert Shillman, a US tech billionaire.

observer.co.uk/news/national/article/us-cash-turned-tommy-robinson-into-the-poster-boy-of-uk-far-right

Just had a quick Google re SYL’s funding.

First names were Tristan Tate, and a pro-Israel think tank

MaizieD

^SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.^

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

Yes, but that appears to be a recent addition.

SYL has been around for years, I hazard a guess that he hasn’t been self funding for all that time.

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

Well, Elon Musk for a start...

MaizieD

^In my opinion they went along due to feeling that the main parties are not listening to them or their every day struggles.^

I would say that that is a fine cause to 'unite' against, I'd even go so far as to say that much of 'the country' probably agrees with it. But not on the coat tails of the likes of Steven Yaxley-Lennen.

Hopefully someone else will come along, maybe a centrist, who can gain momentum and unite the country

SYL is filling a vacuum, I would be interested to know who is backing him.

I have seen on SM that he has been refused entry to Columbia and Panama this week, I doubt if he was going for a holiday.

In my opinion they went along due to feeling that the main parties are not listening to them or their every day struggles.

I would say that that is a fine cause to 'unite' against, I'd even go so far as to say that much of 'the country' probably agrees with it. But not on the coat tails of the likes of Steven Yaxley-Lennen.

Have a look back fancythat, I gave you the Cambridge definition of 'racist'.
Now, over to you to return the compliment. If you so wish.

Care to explain your post petra? Didn't realise we had morphed onto a gardening thread.

I am being very transparent.

Your turn for the questions.

What is your personal definition of the words racist and Islamophobia?

Thinking to start a new thread on this.

fancythat

Maremia

Would be very interested to know your own definition of 'racist'.

I dont know.
Hence me asking Ww2.
And the term Islamophobia.

It means quite different things to different people.

When in a hole, stop digging.

MaizieD why march if they didn’t agree with them

I have pondered this, especially after seeing interviews with some who were on the march (people of differing races). In my opinion they went along due to feeling that the main parties are not listening to them or their every day struggles.

If the PM, Ms Bedenoch and Mr. Davy do not start listening to those outside of the London Bubbble we could end up with Reform having more MP’s and therefore more sway in Westminster, something I think would be detrimental to the U.K.

@Teazel2

“Trying to find racism seems to occupy 99% of your thoughts!”

Which is absolutely splendid. Fighting racism which is a highly pernicious and damaging evil in our society is admirable, no?
Tbh most threads that I see are about the small boats crisis with some suggesting the RNLI stand by whilst people - some of them children - drown. This is the first I have seen about Islamophobia.

GG13 said:

I doubt very much that those at the end or on the peripheries of the march could hear the speeches.

An observation that I was going to make, but she got there first.

The march was billed as Unite the UK but such a very vague phrase is problematic. Unity implies agreement about something so what was it that the UK was meant to be united about? How does waving national flags (interestingly, of other nations, as well as of the UK nations) unite UK citizens if they have no idea what they're meant to be united about?

The leaders of the march and the speakers were quite clear that they wanted the UK to be united against some foreign immigrants. For reasons which, knowing the beliefs of the ringleaders, can broadly be described as racist.

It seems to me that some of the marchers protested that they just wanted to unite the UK, while others agreed with the divisive ideas of the ringleaders and speakers. The former group didn't offer us any cause to be united about but I think it a trifle disingenuous to believe that they didn't know the beliefs of the organisers, even if they didn't hear the speeches. Why march if they didn't agree with them?

I would imagine the black and brown faces on the march were not Muslim and certainly not the majority.

Our (newish) neighbours are Muslim. When our previous neighbour died, we were a bit worried about who we would get (noise) etc as we had lived happily next door to her for 40 years.

A Muslim family bought the house - mum, dad and a little girl now 6. The lady wears traditional dress but no face covering. They are fantastic neighbours. They are as quiet as church mice. The man has helped my husband with fencing etc. When my DH was blue lighted to hospital last year, the lady and little girl appeared at the door with chocolates and a card. They give us sweets at Eid and the odd curry. One of the first things they said to us was 'You won't move will you?' which I found sad. We couldn't wish for better neighbours.

Maremia

Would be very interested to know your own definition of 'racist'.

I dont know.
Hence me asking Ww2.
And the term Islamophobia.

It means quite different things to different people.

From what I could see there was plenty of black & brown faces in that march.
Haven’t we have to put up with those Palestinians marches- from the ‘river to sea’ to me, says ‘flatten Israel’.
They have been able to fly their flags since that 7th September horrific, atrocity.