Taking tylenol during pregnancy is ‘not good’.says Trump…

Allira

Whilst I think it was totally irresponsible for a POTUS to announce this, there is a recent study which indicates that it could cause problems in unborn children.

hsph.harvard.edu/news/using-acetaminophen-during-pregnancy-may-increase-childrens-autism-and-adhd-risk/#:~:text=When%20children%20are%20exposed%20to,according%20to%20a%20new%20study.

No it doesn’t. Correlation and causality are not the same thing.

I did not take anything, but it is an individual choice that fits with your pain levels, your consumption levels and your family history, I guess. No real studies, but then

I was given morning sickness pills - perfectly safe said the medical practitioners in 1978, even though grumblings were as early as 1961, there were no real studies then either.

(My neighbour gave me ginger beer (this is not an alcohol for non UK readers) and it worked, so I did not take the pills, thank heaven - we all know about Thalidomide.....

MMR is bad? It was noted that the measles vaccine on its own was dangerous, when it first came out. I was hospitalised by measles itself, but I met parents with severely autistic children who attributed it to the vaccine.
Many years later my godson was refused vaccine on the grounds that medical folks thought the link between his lactose and chestiness issues made it a high risk.

Maremia

We're not really Trump haters, as suggested above. I think it's more that we don't like his constant lies, his aggression toward non white people, his grifting for his family, how much have they made so far since he came back? Have a look at the deals he made when on his Middle East door. And the cryptocurrency. And the fact that he is most likely going to be listed in the Epstein Files, and listening to that audio where he boasts about going back stage at his beauty pageant and ogling the naked women.
Little things like that put me off people.

Indeed.

It is all the little things that put me off some people.

jocork

Alongside all the mentions of those seriously affected by ASC, there should be more mention of people like your son, to show it isn’t the end of the world, and a diagnosis isn’t the only solution.

Often the accounts of people getting a diagnosis later in life, (and I think DH would, for some traits) , focus on the that’s why explanation of their problems, rather than the success they’ve achieved despite them.

Those who have been able to have family lives, a functioning career etc can find it very difficult to understand the lives of some families who have children with complex autism, who will never live independently, it is worlds apart.

Autism is not an illness, it is a condition which exists on a spectrum. Autistic individuals may be affected to very different extents. When working as a teaching assistant I went on a course about working with autistic children In one of the sessions I recognised almost every trait as something I saw in my son! It explained a lot of things about the difficulties he'd had with making friends when very young. He has never been formally diagnosed but most family members accept that he is autistic - including his wife! However he is very successful. He has a PhD, is a university lecturer and is happily married with 2 children and a 3rd on the way. Obviously some individuals with autism are much more adversely affected than my son and may need a lot of support in life. I remember a celebrity who has a number of autistic children - can't remember who at present - saying that they wouldn't want to change them if there was a cure! I have heard it said that all of us are on the autism spectrum somewhere, but most at the end where the effects are least noticeable. I'm not an expert, but I recognise some of the traits in a number of family members. Understanding the causes of sometimes challenging behaviours can make for a more harmonious way of life. My sister in law told me recently that my brother has been recommended to have an assessment for autism and ADHD - and he's retired! She said it was just a relief to understand why he's like he is sometimes! Let's stop behaving as if it is something to be feared and avoided at all costs, and concentrate on better understanding and supporting those who are affected.

Little things like that put me off people.

We're not really Trump haters, as suggested above. I think it's more that we don't like his constant lies, his aggression toward non white people, his grifting for his family, how much have they made so far since he came back? Have a look at the deals he made when on his Middle East door. And the cryptocurrency. And the fact that he is most likely going to be listed in the Epstein Files, and listening to that audio where he boasts about going back stage at his beauty pageant and ogling the naked women.
Little things like that put me off people.

Windmill agree totally! Would not believe a word that comes out his mouth, especially where health is concerned!

Very nicely put StripeyGran. Neat, clear, to the point. Straightforward enough for even Mr T and J.fK to understand.

Bucci

Do any of you Trump haters question the pharmaceutical narrative at all? Have you ever wondered why the cases of autism are so much higher than they were say 20 years ago? Do some research other than the teli please. There is absolutely nothing wrong with splitting up the MMR vaccine and giving a newborn a Hep B shot (which is transmitted sexually) is insane!

I declined a TB injection for my baby in 1994. He seemed so tiny . Guess what aged 3, he got TB.

A raging madman who advocates drinking bleach is not somebody who should be advising on medication. I prefer a doctor.

Mamie

I do agree growstuff that diagnosis was much less likely in secondary than primary. I think it is probably easier to see in younger children where masking is less likely.
I find this article about evolutionary factors fascinating.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10480880/
I suppose the only thing you can say about the paracetamol theory is that it is not as bad as "refrigerator mothers".

The frustrating thing was that some pupils arrived in secondary, having never been diagnosed at primary level. By the age of 11, it was sometimes too late.

The rise is also about losing the separate Asperger's definition and including everything as ASD.

Bucci most people don't know they have HepB and an alarming number of cases are passed unwittingly through body fluids at birth.

There is no cure for hepatitis B.
The younger you get it the worse it can be.
Children can get it from a scratch at nursery.
It can live outside the body for seven days and picked up by little fingers and enter their body by (say) rubbing their eyes.

It's often not acquired by risky behaviour!
HepB is the leading cause of liver cancer worldwide.

Bucci

Do any of you Trump haters question the pharmaceutical narrative at all? Have you ever wondered why the cases of autism are so much higher than they were say 20 years ago? Do some research other than the teli please. There is absolutely nothing wrong with splitting up the MMR vaccine and giving a newborn a Hep B shot (which is transmitted sexually) is insane!

I think most of us rely on the extensive research, then apply a bit of logic. Paracetamol has been around for over 100 years, and in everyday use since the 1950s, so if autism has risen in the last 20 years (see also the comments about improved diagnosis), it’s very unlikely that paracetamol is responsible for the rise.

I do agree growstuff that diagnosis was much less likely in secondary than primary. I think it is probably easier to see in younger children where masking is less likely.
I find this article about evolutionary factors fascinating.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10480880/
I suppose the only thing you can say about the paracetamol theory is that it is not as bad as "refrigerator mothers".

Mamie I spent most of my teaching career in mainstream comprehensives. In the early 1980s we didn't have that many SEND pupils anyway - they tended to be sent to special schools. I can't compare like with like because I admit that I didn't come across too many SEND pupils.

Nevertheless, when I spent a year working in a specialist school and getting to know a number of children on the spectrum, I was able to think back to the beginning of my career. Some of the children I just thought were very naughty, not very intelligent, rude or maybe disorganised would almost certainly now be diagnosed as autistic. I think there's more awareness and maybe the criteria have changed (not sure because I'm not a specialist).

I totally agree with you Growstuff about the increases in diagnosis, especially in girls and women, but 20+ years ago we definitely did know about autism diagnosis and provision.
In the 80s, 90 and following decade, as a specialist advisory teacher and later inspector I worked with children and teachers in mainstream and special schools across a geographical region, which included a trust operated boarding school for some of the most profoundly autistic children in the UK.
It seemed for children in the middle and higher levels of the ASD spectrum that the most effective provision was in small units with specialist teachers attached to mainstream schools, where the pupils could receive the support they needed and still work and play with their peers. The funding for these units will have been under pressure in subsequent decades.
The paracetomol theory is lacking in reliable evidence. I have no doubts about genetic and complex neurological and environmental factors, remain interested in evolutionary theories and am driven mad by the view that everyone with ASD has a special gift and is just a bit quirky.

Bucci

Do any of you Trump haters question the pharmaceutical narrative at all? Have you ever wondered why the cases of autism are so much higher than they were say 20 years ago? Do some research other than the teli please. There is absolutely nothing wrong with splitting up the MMR vaccine and giving a newborn a Hep B shot (which is transmitted sexually) is insane!

Have you ever worked with people with autism? I worked for a year in a specialist school for children with various degrees of autism.

One factor in the increasing number being diagnosed with autism is that 20+ years ago people weren't recognised as autistic. They might have been recognised as something else, but not autistic.

There is no reliable causative link between vaccinations and autism. The truth is that nobody has ever pinpointed a single cause. It is highly likely that there is some kind of genetic link, more likely passed from the father, but it's likely to be more complicated that a single gene and there could be environmental factors.

The scare-mongering about vaccines with no evidence is dangerous.

Do any of you Trump haters question the pharmaceutical narrative at all? Have you ever wondered why the cases of autism are so much higher than they were say 20 years ago? Do some research other than the teli please. There is absolutely nothing wrong with splitting up the MMR vaccine and giving a newborn a Hep B shot (which is transmitted sexually) is insane!

Thankfully not something we have to worry about, it was measles injections when I had my last pregnancy many moons ago

I'm always exclaiming about how affordable and effective a painkiller paracetamol is. I read somewhere that POTUS will be recommending a painkiller that is used in the treatment of cancer patients. I wondered if he might have shares in it......

I suppose those who support Trump and Farage have very deeply held prejudices that find a champion in these mainstream political figures - one president of a superpower - indeed after years of harbouring bitterness and resentment because they couldn’t openly admit to being intolerant/a racist they now have carte blanche to express their innermost prejudices under the guise of nationalism.
These are heady times for bigots/racists….sorry….I mean disenfranchised voters who nobody ever listened to.
Ever wonder why nobody wanted to listen to them?

When I was pregnant in 1974, I made the decision not to take any medications. My choice.

Anyone supporting a Chump point of view should seek psychiatric help, lots available these days. refer back to his well-researched Covid advice that bleach is a suitable cure (I suppose you could argue that those taking the advice didn't die of Covid?).

Back in the last campaign, an experienced political commentator said :- Trump is a uniquely awful figure in American presidential history. He’s got the attention span of a fruit fly, the emotional stability of a cranky toddler, the ethics of a mobster, the narcissism of a supermodel, the honesty of North Korea’s press agency and the foreign policy knowledge of a cockroach.
He’s a convicted felon who has also been found guilty of fraud in civil cases and of sexual assault. Oh, and ex-wife Ivana labelled him a rapist in her sworn divorce testimony (though the papers are sealed). Worst of all, he risked destroying the republic to try to stay in office after he lost the 2020 election.
PLUS >>> As we’ve seen lately with the sad murder of Charlie Kirk, he said almost nothing about the killings of Democrat leaders, wanted to defend free speech as long as it backs him up, but now wants to shut down any criticism. Maybe he had somebody read him the Nazi playbook from the 1930s??

His good friend Farrago say you should take nothing he says literally, mmm, they're so alike then, just a difference between a yellow stain and Farrago's Ronseal look?