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ID cards at long last

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vegansrock Thu 25-Sept-25 19:13:00

At long last a hint towards modernisation with the introduction of digital ID cards. Having lived in countries which had ID cards it was all seen as normal and was useful in many ways - health care, benefits, employment, healthcare, education etc. I guess the tinfoil hat brigade will object but I’m not among them.

growstuff Fri 26-Sept-25 20:17:55

karmalady

Control of the whole population by stealth

Black belt barrister, is worth watching. I have completely changed my mind and signed a petition against digital ID

Black belt barrister is an expert in data protection

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC7PrWKWrNU

Caution! Black belt barrister is a maverick, who has had very little actual experience (despite what his website tries to claim).

stewaris Fri 26-Sept-25 19:03:40

I don't believe for an instant that ID cards will help record the migrants/asylum seekers who are working under the radar. All employers should be asking for a NI number at the start of employment, everybody who is entitled to work already has, and there are still people working on the side. I don't believe for a minute this will help. Currently, the number of signatures on the Govt petition website is standing at 1,271,972. It's been waiting for a debate date for 4 days so a lot of people are pretty incensed about it.

karmalady Fri 26-Sept-25 18:32:12

Control of the whole population by stealth

Black belt barrister, is worth watching. I have completely changed my mind and signed a petition against digital ID

Black belt barrister is an expert in data protection

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC7PrWKWrNU

TerriBull Fri 26-Sept-25 18:15:27

One of the purposes of the ID card presumably is to stop individuals circumventing the black market. Why have the proliferation of umpteen barbers and candy shops etc. been allowed to flourish in the first place? Often they are a front for nefarious purposes.

growstuff Fri 26-Sept-25 18:09:47

TerriBull

Just wondering how ID cards would be implemented with migrants who have destroyed, or don't have any evidence of their actual identity.

They can't. That's the point!

There have been critics who have claimed that asylum seekers and illegal immigrants (they're different) can hide too easily in the UK.

It would appear that ID cards are a way to make that more difficult (criminals will always find a way). Hopefully, the people who bleat on and on about "stopping boats" will support the idea of ID cards.

TerriBull Fri 26-Sept-25 17:52:42

I mean asylum seekers not migrants.

TerriBull Fri 26-Sept-25 17:52:07

Just wondering how ID cards would be implemented with migrants who have destroyed, or don't have any evidence of their actual identity.

Crocus5 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:50:43

Robin 202 and Terribull. You have summed it up well, sadly.

Stella14 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:50:13

vegansrock

At long last a hint towards modernisation with the introduction of digital ID cards. Having lived in countries which had ID cards it was all seen as normal and was useful in many ways - health care, benefits, employment, healthcare, education etc. I guess the tinfoil hat brigade will object but I’m not among them.

What can it give us that our NHS and National Insurance numbers already give us? It’s offensive and condescending for you to assume that anyone who doesn’t see the value of ID cards are members of the ‘tinfoil hat brigade’. I have no knowledge of what that is, but you obviously mean it as an insult 🤷‍♀️

Casdon Fri 26-Sept-25 17:35:53

Mamie

Galaxy

No I think it will be a focus for protest, the petition against is already over one million. If the opposition parties have any sense they will take a cross party approach to oppose it.

I think the opposition parties might want to look at the polling data before they do that!

Also, Labour have a substantial majority, so even if all the other parties voted against it they couldn’t defeat the government?

Mamie Fri 26-Sept-25 17:25:04

Galaxy

No I think it will be a focus for protest, the petition against is already over one million. If the opposition parties have any sense they will take a cross party approach to oppose it.

I think the opposition parties might want to look at the polling data before they do that!

Mt61 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:24:49

Casdon

I really don’t see why, if a system works well in other countries, it couldn’t work equally well in the UK. Some people have strong objections, but for most people I don’t think that’s the issue, rather it is the fear of change. If it’s introduced for working age adults first though, the glitches will surely be ironed out before we are issued with them?

It’s not the fear of change, it’s the fear that data can be misused, or sold on by third parties- it happen all the time.
Got rid of my JL & M & S cards when they were hacked.

Mt61 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:21:23

FriedGreenTomatoes2

To be honest I don't remember this in the labour manifesto. Then again, I don't remember most of what they have done to date being in their manifesto….

No I sure don’t either

Mt61 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:19:01

GrannyGravy13

Store your UD card in your phones wallet, you do not need a phone signal to open or view.

Why? So that someone could try & steal my phone, which contains my ID. I rather not take that chance.

Galaxy Fri 26-Sept-25 17:18:10

No I think it will be a focus for protest, the petition against is already over one million. If the opposition parties have any sense they will take a cross party approach to oppose it.

4allweknow Fri 26-Sept-25 17:15:32

Supposedly for those who want to work, at least initially. Employers mzy be sble to check to find if person is entitled to be in country and work. How will the process stop unscrupulous employers (pay cash in hand types) using those people.

Mt61 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:08:23

Must be able to get into them somehow escaped, why bother going to all the trouble of stealing them if they can’t ever use them. It’s hundreds per day that are stolen.

Casdon Fri 26-Sept-25 17:06:27

Galaxy

People are looking for simple ways to show their protest against this government, they have just handed them the perfect opportunity.

The problem is people want the penny and the bun. Do you think another government would scrap the idea? I don’t, I think they know it has to be done, however unpopular, best to get Labour to do the dirty work though, obviously.

Daisycuddles Fri 26-Sept-25 17:03:41

Does the cost outweigh the "benefit"? What is the real benefit? It's a 'no" from me but only for those reasons as I've nothing to hide

GrannyGravy13 Fri 26-Sept-25 17:00:02

Hasn’t this got to be approved by the H of C’s and Lords before it becomes law?

Mamie Fri 26-Sept-25 16:50:43

....over the top!

Mamie Fri 26-Sept-25 16:50:09

French ID cards prove that people are French citizens.
As migrants to France our cards prove that we have the right to live here legally.
The cards contain date and place of birth, address, nationality.
They are secured by a photograph and embedded fingerprints. The cards have a unique identifying number.
That's it - no financial information, health cards and driving licences are separate.

I can't help feeling that some of the posts on here of the potential for misuse are just a trifle over the too.

Galaxy Fri 26-Sept-25 16:37:55

People are looking for simple ways to show their protest against this government, they have just handed them the perfect opportunity.

polnan Fri 26-Sept-25 16:35:28

well as I read the media, so many people don`t want to work, or can`t find work,, etc. etc... could just be another excuse not to work? praps need an id card to get any sort of benefit!

petra Fri 26-Sept-25 16:35:05

Judy54

Firstly the Government needs to ensure that there is a system that can cope with the Data. With recent cyber attacks it is concerning to think how easily information can be hacked.

The recent attacks on computer systems and more to do with lack of maintenance by professionals.
Maintaining systems is very expensive.