Is the country ready for a Farage government?

Dee25

Don't people realise that Reform would get rid of NHS ASAP?

I had a heated discussion with a friend of mine about this. She said that just because Farage had said he would privatise the NHS, he wouldn't actually do it. She would still vote for Reform even though she's in her 70's and in poor health so relies on the NHS .

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We all KNOW many areas of the NHS aren’t effective/best practice.

Yes, it is time to overhaul it, not just tinker around the edges. It’s good but not “the best in the world”. Stats prove this. And sadly, outcomes.

If it was THAT good other countries would have followed suit.
But they chose not to.

What do you think about paying health insurance instead? Or more rationed NHS care? Or certain conditions not being treatable unless you have the means to pay for them?

I think we need some transparency about Reform’s plans. They have said they want to reduce taxes considerably, and that that will be paid for through reducing public services. Efficiency savings through reorganising the NHS will not save anywhere near enough to reduce taxes.

I’d like to know what it is Reform voters want to sacrifice to enable taxes to be reduced. Bear in mind there will need to be additional investment to ‘stop the boats’ and meet Reform’s other promises too, and that will also come from the public purse.

Facism! God help us.

Article 8.

Babs03

Also getting rid of the ECHR doesn’t mean it is only foreigners or WOKE types who will be affected, it is there to represent all human rights. Never clever to do something like this.
Unless a person believes neither they or their family/friends have human rights and so will never need representation.

I think living in Britain we will always be fine, there are enough laws to protect the individual.
However it’s possible to leave the bit of the ECHR we may not like such as immigration.

We all KNOW many areas of the NHS aren’t effective/best practice.

Yes, it is time to overhaul it, not just tinker around the edges. It’s good but not “the best in the world”. Stats prove this. And sadly, outcomes.

If it was THAT good other countries would have followed suit.
But they chose not to.

I Googled “Will Reform scrap the NHS?”

This from Full Facts:

“What have Reform UK and Mr Farage said about NHS funding?
Reform UK has strongly denied what Labour has said about its plans for the NHS. In a social media post earlier this month it said “Reform will never charge you to use the NHS”.

And speaking on 18 April Mr Farage addressed Labour’s claims head on, saying: “On the NHS, they’re putting out literature saying ‘Vote Reform and they’ll charge you fifteen grand for a hip replacement’. We’ve never ever, ever suggested anything other than the NHS should be free.”

When asked about Labour’s claims, Reform UK told Full Fact: “Our policy is to always keep the NHS free at the point of use.” And Reform UK’s 2024 election manifesto made the same commitment, saying: “Services will always be free at the point of use.”

However, Mr Farage has also said repeatedly that he believes the NHS’s funding model should be rethought. On 28 March, while again saying he believed the service should be free at the point of delivery, he reportedly told the BBC: “Everyone knows we are not getting value, let’s re-examine the whole funding model and find a way that’s more efficient.”

He was quoted in the Times in January as saying: “I was given almost pariah status for suggesting the NHS model isn’t working. I haven’t shifted my position. We’ve got to identify a system of funding for healthcare that is more effective than the one we have currently got, and at the same time carries those who can’t afford to pay.”

Also getting rid of the ECHR doesn’t mean it is only foreigners or WOKE types who will be affected, it is there to represent all human rights. Never clever to do something like this.
Unless a person believes neither they or their family/friends have human rights and so will never need representation.

I expect they can’t wait to import the American health system into the country for all ( the wealthy) to enjoy,

Surely Reform backers don't realise they would get rid of NHS ASAP?

Don't people realise that Reform would get rid of NHS ASAP?

Elegran

fancythat

I refer you to my post of 21.54pm.
Other posters know that I dont keep repeating myself.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-uk-rows-back-on-its-contract-with-the-people-reports-382122/

"Reform UK has rowed back on its so-called “contract with the people”, saying it was supposed to be more of a “philosophy of what the party wants to achieve rather than policy details”.

Speaking to the Independent, the party’s new chair, Zia Yusuf said the faux manifesto unveiled by Nigel Farage in Merthyr Tydfil wasn’t supposed to be taken too literally.

Instead, he said, it should be considered “more as a philosophy” of where the party wants to head over time.

When the “contract with the people” (so-called because Mr Farage claimed manifestos were considered to be lies) was launched in Wales ahead of the General Election it was lampooned for being “Liz Truss economics on steroids”.

The party promised £140 billion in tax cuts including raising the threshold of income tax to £20,000, claiming it could find £156 billion in spending cuts.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies think tank said the plans were based on “extremely optimist assumptions” about growth and the sums “do not add up”, meaning the manifesto as a whole was “problematic”.

But speaking to The Independent, Yusuf said that the contract with the people should now be considered in a new light.

Addressing the problematic sums, he said: “They don’t add up on the basis that you implement everything in there on day one for arriving in Downing Street. That’s fair. But that was never going to be the plan.”

The Independent has an article on this, but it is behind a paywall -
www.independent.co.uk › UK › UK Politics
2 Sept 2024 ^"Nigel Farage ditches Reform UK's 'contract with the people'"^

Yet this is from 2024.

We are, and live in Sept 2025, and it is on their website.
Cant think there is anything more to be said.

But I am sure others will!

If people choose not to want to believe something, that is their choice.

DaisyAnneReturns

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL5oszTkk4g

Outside the Labour Party Conference - lots of support for Thatcher! Do you think they know it's a Labour Party event?

Errrrr it’s a protest by he Yaxley-Lennon mob!

Babs03

Nobody would describe themselves as racist. Neither Farage, Trump, Musk, Yaxley Lennon, or any of their followers.
And they get upset when people call them this.
Of course they always have justification/an excuse. But of course if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck…

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I don’t know how many posters were also around prior to the Brexit vote.

It was really noticeable then - there were loads of new members arguing like mad for Brexit, and some had very dubious credentials. I remember one who popped up the last few days before the vote whose username was the same as the white supremicists chap who had murdered Joe Cox.

The day after Brexit - not one remained they all simply disappeared.

Very peculiar.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Does Starmer realise that he's indirectly calling anyone who supports Reform racist? He's brassing off a LOT of people. Not clever at all.

No he isn’t😄😄😄 -

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There are columnists in The Times, Sunday Times and The Spectator who have all written that 2TK has more or less shot himself in the foot by making such an inane statement. Silly silly man.
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Babamaman

This is exactly what Farage did when he spouted out the EU Brexit rhetoric! Give back our borders! Etc! He winds people up and then disappears, and denies his actions when they fail!
Remember £350million per week for the NHS on the side of the bus!
And he still gets his MEP pension, has a home in France! Very much ‘do as I say’. ‘Not as I do’!
A dangerous prospect as PM

very true

Whitewavemark2

According to a poll on the radio, if an election was held today Farage would be in government with 100 seat majority.

Not sure what policies people are supporting.

Trumpland here we come.

I hope not!
Not sure that anyone knows what their policies are - nor how they dream they might fund them! But I expect they will wriggle out of that too.
Would be good to hear proportionally on news programmes from the other parties who have far more seats eg Liberal Democrats who have 72 seats rather than Farage's 5.

Whitewavemark2

Blimey where on earth have all these new posters popped up from.

Very noticeable in the past few days. 🤔

Nobody would describe themselves as racist. Neither Farage, Trump, Musk, Yaxley Lennon, or any of their followers.
And they get upset when people call them this.
Of course they always have justification/an excuse. But of course if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck…

Wavemark2

I'm ready!
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Whitewavemark2

Blimey where on earth have all these new posters popped up from.

I wonder if Gransnet HQ have noticed an abnormal number of new members?

Wasn’t that what the misguided thought Brexit was about? We’ve been this way before.

Whitewavemark2

Blimey where on earth have all these new posters popped up from.

I would hazard a guess, but I might get barred meself!