Is the country ready for a Farage government?

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

If it is on their website, it must be back on. In my opinion.
Cant see how it could be anything other.

In that case the website and what Tice and Yusuf have said contradict each other. Do you trust people who say one thing and write another?

I barely know[or dont really] who Tice and Yusuf are. So whether they contradict each other, I dont know if it matters at this point or not.
I dont look very deep into things until I have to.

growstuff
I admire your fortitude to still engage with a poster who doesn’t even understand their own thinking.

Fancythat
You’ve been trying to fight your corner when now you tell us you know bugger all about the people you’re defending.
Hilarious 😂 Thanks for the laugh.

I would like Labour to be pro-active regarding Reform as opposed to being reactive.

KS is so focused (obsessed) with Nigel
Farage he appears to have forgotten his pre-election promises and the parties manifesto.

As for Rachel Reeves, I have no words.

Nobody is coming for the LBGTQ community in the UK, tho Labour are unfortunately threatening the disabled and the old.

(I’ve lived most of my life with governments I didn’t want), - Doodledog.

I am the opposite.
I often get which I want.
[I have been a floating voter since 1990].

Never seen that poem before on social media, at least not for a week.

33,000 arrived by small boat since January this year, that isn’t a tiny number apart from all the years before that and the next few years.
All have to be housed and fed and given a small amount for extras.All will use NHS doctors and hospitals and dentists.
Is that a racist narrative? No it isn’t as it would still be the same if they were white Europeans.
That’s apart from legal immigration which is also out of control.Also apart from the thousands who have long lapsed visas and have no intention of ever going home.
It’s a huge mess.

People who vote “for the hell of it” are hardly thinking rationally of what’s best for the country, are they?

It’s hard not to think of and adapt Niemöller’s poem.

First they came for the migrants
And I did not speak out
Because I am not a migrant
Then they came for the LBGTQ community
And I did not speak out
Because I am not LBGTQ
Then they came for the disabled
And I did not speak out
Because I am not disabled
Then they came for the old and the women
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

That is what fascist governments do.

What exactly does looking far right mean?

growstuff

fancythat

If it is on their website, it must be back on. In my opinion.
Cant see how it could be anything other.

In that case the website and what Tice and Yusuf have said contradict each other. Do you trust people who say one thing and write another?

I barely know[or dont really] who Tice and Yusuf are. So whether they contradict each other, I dont know if it matters at this point or not.
I dont look very deep into things until I have to.

I admit that politics has become one shade of grey, the grey suits of the ruling elite, and nothing seems to change, the ordinary person loses out whilst those at the top celebrate their gains. So would understand if people were throwing in their lot with a party that promised to change the status quo with regard to this. Instead of faffing about voting for parties that are ‘the establishment’ despite saying otherwise. Trump is an ex business man chasing the dollar, Farage is a greedy publicity hound looking for a gravy train by holding onto Trumps shirt tails.
To think anyone’s lives will be made any better by them simply because they spout a racist narrative is just bizarre.
It isn’t illegal immigrants draining the coffers, or benefit scroungers, none can come near the ruling elite who benefit from a tickle up of money from the bottom of society to the top and if they paid their dues in taxes would be putting billions back in the coffers.
Don’t blame the powerless, blame the powerful.
And if anyone really wants change stop looking far right you are totally looking in the wrong direction.

Oreo I admire your optimism. You have written my very thoughts.
However if Starmer is really rattled by the prospect of losing the next election to Reform, it might be the one way to restore some semblance of democracy into his authoritarian regime? He needs to start listening.

Which is what a few posters on this site do towards would be Reform voters and what Starmer is now doing by his speeches on it.Instead of labelling voters as racists which he’s more or less doing, I would prefer politicians to say what they themselves will do to counter immigration problems and to assure voters that it really will be done!

Well don’t use insults for a start?

Oreo

The above responses to Reform are probably another reason why they’ll win bigtime at the next election as they are the same as all the things the main political parties are desperately telling everyone.
If you sneer enough at the electorate they’ll give you a good hiding with their votes.
When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else.

How would you expect people to react towards those who seemingly have no idea what they'd be voting for, except it "couldn't be worse"?

The above responses to Reform are probably another reason why they’ll win bigtime at the next election as they are the same as all the things the main political parties are desperately telling everyone.
If you sneer enough at the electorate they’ll give you a good hiding with their votes.
When the Conservatives and now Labour just can’t seem to say/do what people want they will turn to something else.

He was proved right. All one has to do it read the article and substitute the name Farage. The same reasoning holds true.

Unfortunately reason didn't prevail then and I don't think it will prevail now.

Ref MT61's "I didn’t vote for them last time but just might next time round, just for the sheer hell of it", I have a friend who voted 'Leave' in 2016 'for a laugh'. He bitterly regretted doing it...

Farage may seek to distance himself from Yaxley Lennon but the narrative is the same - claiming that the country in on the brink of civil war. It’s pushed on a daily basis through X, Instagram and TikTok and is done deliberately to instill fear.

Robinson and Farage’s ‘civil war’ narrative is warping voters’ minds. How is any government supposed to counter it? by John Harris

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/14/nigel-farage-tommy-robinson-london-rally-government-voters-civil-war

I sense DD’s frustration but do please keep posting. The board needs more members who can argue calmly and articulately to counter the childish yah boo sucks responses and personal insults.

On balance, the responses on this thread are from people who feel that a Reform government would be a disaster. I’ve yet to see any arguments to explain why Reform would be a success.

I do think people are sleepwalking. They sleepwalked into voting to leave the EU, will sleepwalk into accepting ID cards and may sleepwalk into electing a Reform government - although I do believe Farage will exit the stage before his unfitness to be Prime Minister is laid bare for all to see.

This is what Max Hastings said of Boris Johnson in June 2019:

The Tory party is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people. He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

He was proved right. All one has to do it read the article and substitute the name Farage. The same reasoning holds true.

DaisyAnneReturns

I don't think it helps that we see what's happening in America all the time. Obviously it must be reported but I have tried to limit my watching of the standard news briadcasts.

I can't get the pictures out of my mind of the troops, with their faces covered, making arrests on the streets without an legal entitlement to do so. How did they feel about having to do that? I'm so glad all appropriate aged male members of my family no longer live in this country - but the young female members do ...

I've just been watching "Berlin 1933" on iplayer.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0gjkj43/berlin-1933

Ooops! My mistake! You're talking about the situation in the US - and possibly the UK, if we get Trumplite.

Mt61

Reform has nothing to do with TR, they have said that. I would give them a shot. I didn’t vote for them last time but just might next time round, just for the sheer hell of it. Let’s face it, they can’t be any worse.

I might push somebody under a bus - just for the sheer hell of it. Oh, what fun!

Mt61 You can't be serious!

Has "they can't be any worse" become the new Reform slogan - or something? Yes, they could be considerably worse than we now have. Maybe you could give some examples of how you would expect your life to improve with a Reform government. I can only think that of losing a free NHS and public services being cut more than they have been up to now. I dread to think what life would be like for the disabled or elderly.

I don't think it helps that we see what's happening in America all the time. Obviously it must be reported but I have tried to limit my watching of the standard news briadcasts.

I can't get the pictures out of my mind of the troops, with their faces covered, making arrests on the streets without an legal entitlement to do so. How did they feel about having to do that? I'm so glad all appropriate aged male members of my family no longer live in this country - but the young female members do ...

We've gone from infantile to gaga on this thread. I'm not sure whether we're in a kindergarten or a care home, or even a madhouse.
Don't give up Doodledog. You have some interesting stuff to say, on the whole.

It is a messy world politically, but I do have grandchildren, and I just have to hope with all my heart, that, living in these times, they will cope with whatever happens and not get overly frightened or stressed. 🤞

Keep posting Doodledog your input is appreciated

Doodledog

I’ve all but given up posting on here, particularly on N&P. If posts not toeing the Reform line aren’t nitpicked into oblivion (ie one word disagreed with and pulled apart to the point of tedium) they are ignored and argued against as if they weren’t there.

I find the current political climate frightening - not because I don’t want a Reform government (I’ve lived most of my life with governments I didn’t want), but because it feels like we’re watching a replay of the 30s, with its hatred and propaganda, except this time we have the knowledge of where that ended, so there’s no excuse.

I’ve always wanted grandchildren, but right now I’m almost pleased I don’t have to see them go through what it looks like we are sleepwalking towards.

I'm sorry, Dd but I don't understand your first paragraph at all. Can you expand a little on it?

I would miss your input to discussions. While I don't agree with some of it it is usually carefully thought out and presented and well worth reading.

Mt61

Reform has nothing to do with TR, they have said that. I would give them a shot. I didn’t vote for them last time but just might next time round, just for the sheer hell of it. Let’s face it, they can’t be any worse.

Am afraid saying they have nothing to do with TR doesn’t detract from the fact that they share the same ideology which means Reform bases it’s whole success upon demonising and dehumanising a group of people with no agency.
And ‘yes’ it can be a whole lot worse.

Reform has nothing to do with TR, they have said that. I would give them a shot. I didn’t vote for them last time but just might next time round, just for the sheer hell of it. Let’s face it, they can’t be any worse.