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Is the country ready for a Farage government?

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Sept-25 12:27:48

According to a poll on the radio, if an election was held today Farage would be in government with 100 seat majority.

Not sure what policies people are supporting.

Trumpland here we come.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Sept-25 20:41:03

Just to say I heard the poll being quoted on the radio as I was walking past the radio on the way into the garden. I didn’t stop to listen to any more details, but PaynesGrey is probably correct. ClassicFM news I think it was.

Still gives me the whim whams though !

MayBee70 Sun 28-Sept-25 20:34:37

Just another discredited Reform member…

MayBee70 Sun 28-Sept-25 20:33:27

Maremia

Been away for a couple of days so didn't catch all the details.
Did a Reform ex-minister just plead guilty to bribery charges? Bribed by the Russians no less. So, when Farage says 'take back control', does he actually mean, and give it to Putin?

Reform UK's former leader in Wales has admitted taking bribes to make statements in favour of Russia while being a Member of the European Parliament.
Nathan Gill, 52, from Llangefni, Anglesey, pleaded guilty to eight counts of bribery between 6 December 2018 and 18 July 2019.”
The politician took money from Oleg Voloshyn - a man once described by the US government as a "pawn" of Russian secret services - and made speeches in the parliament, statements to a TV channel and arranged an event with a pro-Russian politician.
Gill will be sentenced in November and his defence barrister said he expected to be jailed.
The Old Bailey was told he was tasked by Ukrainian Oleg Voloshyn on at least eight occasions to make specific statements in return for money and there was evidence of WhatsApp messages between the two men.
Mr Voloshyn is a former member of the Ukrainian parliament for the pro-Russian Opposition Platform for Life party

Cossy Sun 28-Sept-25 20:27:03

StoneofDestiny

Farage has copied Trump’s methodology in every way. Trump has copied Hitler’s. The rabble rousing, isolating minorities, blaming people ‘not like us’ and the empty promises that you have the solutions for everything - a path taken before that leads to divisions, hatred, abandonment of compassion and morals.
Ready for Farage - no. Heaven help us all if that happens.

I totally agree

Cossy Sun 28-Sept-25 20:26:43

Babs03

Listening to the concerns of ordinary people is very much one thing but simply playing to the lowest denominator and preying on people’s fears and prejudices is very much another.
Ordinary people have concerns about education, homelessness, the cost of living crisis, a lack of public services, a demolished health service, and climate change etc.
You can’t address all that simply by sending small boats back.
Farage is a one trick pony.

👏👏👏👏👏

StoneofDestiny Sun 28-Sept-25 20:06:57

Farage has copied Trump’s methodology in every way. Trump has copied Hitler’s. The rabble rousing, isolating minorities, blaming people ‘not like us’ and the empty promises that you have the solutions for everything - a path taken before that leads to divisions, hatred, abandonment of compassion and morals.
Ready for Farage - no. Heaven help us all if that happens.

PaynesGrey Sun 28-Sept-25 19:58:45

I don't know if I am talking about the same poll that WWM2 refers to but the modelling on the More in Common poll - which gives Reform a 96 seat majority -is dubious anyway. It polled fewer than 20,000 people and used that data to represent 631 constituencies (excludes Northern Ireland).

It says:

How does the model account for those who don't know how they will vote?


^When we ask people their voting intention, some people say they don’t know. We push them to say who they would vote for if they were forced to choose, and we use this response as their expected vote. Some people, when asked to imagine that they were forced to choose, still don’t know who they would vote for.^

Using our MRP model, we’re able to make a better guess at how these double don’t knows might end up voting. When training the model to predict people’s voting intention based on their demographics, voting behaviour and information about their constituency, we excluded the responses of people who didn’t know who they would vote for (after the squeeze) from the training data. When we apply the model to all the voters in the constituency, it effectively means we estimate the votes of people who don’t know, according to how people like them (in terms of demographics and past voting behaviour) but who do know, intend to vote.

So if someone lives in a rural area, is over 75 and voted Conservative in 2024, the model uses the fact that most over 75s in rural areas who voted Conservative in 2024 and do know who they’ll vote for say they will vote Conservative, to guess that if they do vote it will likely be for the Conservatives.


*Is this a snapshot or a projection?*

With four and a half years before the next General Election must be called this model is unlikely to represent anything close to the ultimate result and should not be seen as a projection of the election.

As well as not knowing what might happen between now and 2029, we also don’t know which parties will stand in different seats, what tactical voting might look like exactly and who will ultimately turn out to vote. What’s more, the degree of electoral fragmentation makes individual seat dynamics even more difficult to project than previously.

Why does the model show X party winning in Y constituency?


^MRP models are a good way to estimate how the parties might perform across different constituencies based on their demographic makeup. However, they don’t account for local factors that impact a small number of constituencies, such as a popular incumbent, well known or controversial council policy. These factors make it difficult to predict exact vote shares even in the best of times, but even more so when three parties are polling at over 20%, making three-way races more common. Therefore it would be a mistake to draw too much from the estimated vote share in an individual constituency.^

And why are MiC they saying four and half years before the next election when the fieldwork was said to be done over six weeks in August and September 2025? The next general election must be called by August 2029.

A party needs at least 326 seats to have a HoC majority. In 2024, 46 seats were won with a margin of less than 2%.

I think we are more likely to end up with a hung parliament.

PaynesGrey Sun 28-Sept-25 19:47:19

RTF. The Reform "contract" you link to was withdrawn two months after the 2024 election with Yusuf claiming it was more "philosophy" than policy. To my knowledge, nothing has replaced it.

Does anyone know what was achieved in terms of policy development at conference?

fancythat Sun 28-Sept-25 19:30:53

If I was very concrened about Reform, I would be disecting them, not pretending they dont exist, or ignoring them.

fancythat Sun 28-Sept-25 19:29:04

I dont understand why people keep saying that there are no policies

assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371

ronib Sun 28-Sept-25 19:03:15

Was typo not were

ronib Sun 28-Sept-25 18:54:59

Advance UK with Ben Habib as leader have 35,000 members in just a few months. I don’t understand why a hotel were threatened with violence to staff if the launch of Advance UK was held on their premises. Someone’s cage has been rattled.
My assumption is that in 4 years, Advance UK will be an alternative to Reform on the ballot paper.
I don’t think that it’s a foregone conclusion that Nigel Farage will be prime minister so Starmer might need to rethink his strategy?

growstuff Sun 28-Sept-25 18:36:24

Skydancer

Which problems? Let’s think. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people entering the country with no documentation to prove who they are or where they’ve come from for a start. How many times do we discuss all this and yet there are still those who bury their heads in the sand and think everything is ok.

Nope! Not burying my head on the sand or thinking everything's OK, but it's not the disaster some people have a vested interest in claiming it is.

Maremia Sun 28-Sept-25 18:23:27

Been away for a couple of days so didn't catch all the details.
Did a Reform ex-minister just plead guilty to bribery charges? Bribed by the Russians no less. So, when Farage says 'take back control', does he actually mean, and give it to Putin?

valdavi Sun 28-Sept-25 17:34:54

Immigration is a problem. But if we get a Farage Govt, nothing, not even the gift of a grandson due soon, would keep me from emigrating, except my age.
Americans. I'm sure. felt the same about a Trump Govt except - could it be as excrutiating as it promised to be? The USA have already gone there, and, Yes, it is.

Skydancer Sun 28-Sept-25 17:26:24

Which problems? Let’s think. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people entering the country with no documentation to prove who they are or where they’ve come from for a start. How many times do we discuss all this and yet there are still those who bury their heads in the sand and think everything is ok.

keepingquiet Sun 28-Sept-25 17:23:35

The media need to stop giving them airtime... especially the BBC.

They have always loved Fragage and I've never been able to understand why...

other political parties are available...

Elegran Sun 28-Sept-25 17:23:31

A small rant, but when someone is knighted he doesn't go from being plain "John Smith" to "Sir Smith" but to "Sir John Smith", or just "Sir John", or even "Smith".

The PM is not "Sir Starmer". He is "Sir Keir Starmer", or "Sir Keir" or even "Starmer".

Casdon Sun 28-Sept-25 17:10:33

Galaxy

I am not sure Johnson wanted to be PM, he thought being PM was his destiny that is slightly different.

Agreed, but Farage and Johnson are very different people, aren’t they. I read that Johnson had/has a Churchill obsession, and saw being PM as his route to achieve equal status. Farage isn’t a conviction politician.

growstuff Sun 28-Sept-25 17:08:18

mum2three

Before the General Election, it seemed that most Gransnetters supported the Labour party. Are you all honestly content with the way things are going? I can only suppose that most of you are living in a care home and have no idea of life on the streets of modern Britain.

I think you've accused us all of living in a care home and having no idea before. grin Presumably, it was intended as an insult and trying to imply we're all living in lalaland.

mum2three Sun 28-Sept-25 17:05:02

Before the General Election, it seemed that most Gransnetters supported the Labour party. Are you all honestly content with the way things are going? I can only suppose that most of you are living in a care home and have no idea of life on the streets of modern Britain.

Galaxy Sun 28-Sept-25 17:03:17

I am not sure Johnson wanted to be PM, he thought being PM was his destiny that is slightly different.

Casdon Sun 28-Sept-25 16:39:06

The more i think about it though, the more I think that won’t be the case for him. When you have spent your whole career as an agitator, the toughness and mundanity of being PM must be unappealing - all PMs ultimately fail.

Oreo Sun 28-Sept-25 16:33:13

Everyone in politics wants to be PM once they think they’ve a chance at it.

Casdon Sun 28-Sept-25 16:26:25

I think PaynesGrey made a good point on another thread, which really got me thinking. Does Farage really want to be Prime Minister, having based his whole career on shitting into the circle from the outside? He isn’t a team player, and he isn’t a sticker. I think the question to be asked is whether without Farage, Reform would succeed?