Is the country ready for a Farage government?

westendgirl

You can see that, I can see that , so why is he so popular in certain areas ?AGAA4

If you look at where the Reform support has come from, the biggest losers have been the Conservatives. A few years ago, these were the same people who voted for Boris Johnson, so maybe it's easy to understand why Farage is popular.

You can see that, I can see that , so why is he so popular in certain areas ?AGAA4

Farage is "all mouth and trousers" as my mum would have said. No substance to him at all.

nanna8

It seems the people on gransnet are very much in the minority according to the polls. You really can’t label all these hundreds and hundreds of people - it would be better to look at what is there in power now and work out the reasons for this swathe of people deserting them.

That's exactly what Labour is doing, if you read their latest announcements.

PaynesGrey

mumofmadboys

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

Reform’s election “contract” (now retracted as unworkable) included:

A three year tax break for all frontline NHS staff.

Tax Relief of 20% on all Private Healthcare and Insurance to (allegedly) take pressure off the NHS - basically a queue-jumpers charter. Most doctors divide their time between NHS and private practice. Incentivise private care, the NHS lists gets longer.

Same as this. Patients to receive a voucher for private treatment if they can’t see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant it would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks.

Reform estimated it’s pledges on the NHS would cost £17 billion a year.

Hmm ... so presumably doctors would switch to providing private healthcare, so the queues get ever longer. Nobody except critical emergencies would be seen within those timescales.

Meanwhile, did anybody work out how much it would cost to administer these vouchers?

What a load of **!!

eazybee

^It is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.^

Which is EXACTLY what has happened to Labour.

Why do people want to go through the same process with Reform?

It is easy to tell some people what they want to hear, I could get a megaphone now and do it, but once in government the wheels will rapidly come off the bus.

Which is EXACTLY what has happened to Labour.

mumofmadboys

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

Reform’s election “contract” (now retracted as unworkable) included:

A three year tax break for all frontline NHS staff.

Tax Relief of 20% on all Private Healthcare and Insurance to (allegedly) take pressure off the NHS - basically a queue-jumpers charter. Most doctors divide their time between NHS and private practice. Incentivise private care, the NHS lists gets longer.

Same as this. Patients to receive a voucher for private treatment if they can’t see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant it would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks.

Reform estimated it’s pledges on the NHS would cost £17 billion a year.

Noooooo!!! absolutely not.

Reform would be an utter disaster in government. Their simplistic policies wouldn't work. Government is a complex matter which both major parties understand even if they make mistakes, Too many people think government is dead easy: it isn't. It's a long, hard slog and people need to recognise that.

Galaxy

I sometimes wonder if those who label reform voters in this way are secret agents who actually want a reform government, it is so counter productive.

Not this one, I can assure you. I despise Reform and everything they stand for.

Didn't reform want everyone to have private health insurance? Or have I got that wrong?

It seems the people on gransnet are very much in the minority according to the polls. You really can’t label all these hundreds and hundreds of people - it would be better to look at what is there in power now and work out the reasons for this swathe of people deserting them.

Farage has only 8 seats if you count Danny Kruger.

Unless I have missed some news, Reform has only five seats:

Farage, Anderson, Kruger, Pochin and Tice.

members.parliament.uk/members/commons?partyid=1036

I sometimes wonder if those who label reform voters in this way are secret agents who actually want a reform government, it is so counter productive.

Vice versa I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Galaxy

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to be part of a group who calls them clueless, it is an absolute mystery.

Well, put it this way, if I said what I really thought of Reform and anyone planning to vote for them, I'd be banned from here!

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to be part of a group who calls them clueless, it is an absolute mystery.

Oreo

Some of those problems arise from too much immigration.
Of course Reform would need other policies.

Which problems?

Every time I see something like this, it just reminds me how utterly stupid, ignorant and absolutely clueless so many of the population are. If that day should ever come, I hope to god that by then, Scotland is an independent country.

MollyNew

A Reform UK government would be a complete disaster, they have no policies, just soundbites. Richard Tice was terrible on Question Time, he just interrupted anyone else who was speaking.

Hopefully, increased exposure will show them up for the charlatans they are.

GrannyGravy13

Hopefully Sir Starmer, Ms.Badenoch and Sir Davey will sit up and take notice.

They all need better comms teams, they need to brush up on their interpersonal skills.

The government needs to push what it has and is accomplishing.

The government needs to start supporting SME’s and our High Streets.

The Government needs to have approval from its back benchers before making announcements then having to back track.

Lastly but by no means least, they need to start questioning Reform’s credibility and accountability.

Maybe part of the problem is that I agree with every word, but I doubt if you and I have ever voted for the same party.

If Reform wins the next GE, it's highly unlikely it will have a total majority, but the opposition will be divided. Of course, that's not unusual in the UK, but it's not so much of a problem when the winning party is centrist. It's a huge problem if the winning party is extreme because it won't even pretend to represent the average.

I am very happy to see that my consituency still regards Reform as beneath contempt.

Get the spreadsheet data here.

www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/more-in-common-s-september-mrp/

Starmer could always call a snap election. Then we would see how Reform would crash the economy and paralyse the country in less time than it takes a lettuce to wilt.

We now have teenagers as head of councils. Do we want really want 18 year old Cabinet ministers? And speaking of juvenile, which ministry would Lee Anderson be given? Heaven help us.

The House of Commons might not be able to stop their fascist policies but the House of Lords, where there are no Reform peers could. Reform would have a fight getting nominees past the House of Lords Appointments Commission.

lordsappointments.independent.gov.uk/commissionerbiographies

Starmer is now finding that the glory days of entering number 10 are well and truly over, and yes, opposition is quite a different thing to being in power.

Some of those problems arise from too much immigration.
Of course Reform would need other policies.