Is the country ready for a Farage government?

Sorry, I meant to quote this from Oreo's post in my post above, lixy, otherwise mine does not make sense:

Lots of countries have colonising pasts, but it doesn’t stop them flying their flags and they don’t wear hair shirts either.France and Belgium are particularly proud of their countries and culture and so should we be too.

France and Belgium use tear gas and water cannons on protestors, as do other European countries.

We have far more liberty here.

lixy

Teazel2

lixy

And while I’m here, please can I be on the naughty step with StripeyGran? I wouldn’t want any one, family or not, to have to fight for an administrative border. No flag waving either.

Why no flag waving Lixy?

Because it makes other people feel uncomfortable and excluded at the moment.

Because, and I am devastated to say it, I am not proud of this country, either as it is now or how colonizing people behaved in the past.

Because people go on and on about how tolerant and inclusive the UK is but it is just so much hot air. Both my AC married people from a different background so all my Gchn are in the any other ethnicity background group when filling in forms.

My British Asian SiL has ‘chinky’ shouted at him from passing cars but then people are pleased to get an appointment with him when he is in his GP role. Ironic really.

I do usually put out GB bunting during the Olympics to support athletes for that particular sporting event but no flag flying as a general rule.

Gosh - think you touched a nerve there Teazel!

Neither country is more tolerant than the UK either, lixy.

As I pointed out on another thread, the police in many European countries use water cannons and tear gas on protestors; here we wring our hands and plead with them not to march just after murders in a synagogue.

Do you know which language is most spoken in the Southern Hemisphere? No, it's not English - it is Portuguese from the days of colonialism.

Galaxy

The Spectator has some excellent articles, I read it a lot.

It does Galaxy. But you will have chosen an article according to your bias and they will have written according to theirs.

I'll make you an offer. If you watch this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCV2-qT9N5M&list=PL36GQAccexbyXC4mFlfMGHdQekQsHx2nS and then give a brief summary - not of what you agree with or disagree with but of what he is saying - then I will read the Spectator article.

westendgirl

Heaven help us if it does happen. You can't run a country on soundbites. Look at the post Brexit mess.That should. be a lesson. Farage is all mouth, lots of words but no definite planning.

Labour appear to “running the country on soundbites” is exactly what Labour keep doing and then change their minds. They had years to work out some solid acceptable policies yet they preferred to spend time choosing and buying themselves new wardrobes courtesy of Lord Ali. Even down to Mrs Starmer’s undies!

Lots of countries have colonising pasts, but it doesn’t stop them flying their flags and they don’t wear hair shirts either.France and Belgium are particularly proud of their countries and culture and so should we be too.
It’s not obligatory to wave a flag but it would be silly not to for the reason we used to have an empire.

lixy

Teazel2

lixy

And while I’m here, please can I be on the naughty step with StripeyGran? I wouldn’t want any one, family or not, to have to fight for an administrative border. No flag waving either.

Why no flag waving Lixy?

Because it makes other people feel uncomfortable and excluded at the moment.

Because, and I am devastated to say it, I am not proud of this country, either as it is now or how colonizing people behaved in the past.

Because people go on and on about how tolerant and inclusive the UK is but it is just so much hot air. Both my AC married people from a different background so all my Gchn are in the any other ethnicity background group when filling in forms.

My British Asian SiL has ‘chinky’ shouted at him from passing cars but then people are pleased to get an appointment with him when he is in his GP role. Ironic really.

I do usually put out GB bunting during the Olympics to support athletes for that particular sporting event but no flag flying as a general rule.

Gosh - think you touched a nerve there Teazel!

That is fair enough, we are all entitled to our views although we cannot feel guilty for our colonising past as we are not ourselves responsible! By the way, .i am on holiday in Turkey at the moment and their flag is flying everywhere, they are certainly, not ashamed of their flag nor of making others feel uncomfortable by flying it.

The Spectator has some excellent articles, I read it a lot.

DaisyAnneReturns

Primrose53

www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-officially-most-unpopular-pm-ever/

DaisyAnneReturns

Thank you for the link.

The Spectator was founded in 1828 and has always been considered the “house journal” of the Conservative Party. The magazine was sold to UK hedge-fund investor Sir Paul Marshall for £100 million, a staggering sum for a publication that, in 2023, turned a profit of just £2.6 million. It's purchase makes Marshall one of the most influential media magnates in the UK, potentially second only to Rupert Murdoch. In 2017, after a successful career in the City of London, Marshall purchased the right-wing news and opinion website UnHerd. However, his role played in the launch of Britain’s first politically opinionated news channel – GB News – brought him to real prominence on the British media scene’s far right.

So I think we can guess the bias of the article you flagged.

None of this changes the facts. The, no doubt accurate at the time, poll was posted 10 days before the conference. I don't doubt Labour is doing badly at the moment. But why am I or others supposed to be worried about that. Sit back and see what's happen by the time they take October's poll.

I don’t know if anybody else has watched A Different Bias today, but it really made me think. Crikey.

Teazel2

lixy

And while I’m here, please can I be on the naughty step with StripeyGran? I wouldn’t want any one, family or not, to have to fight for an administrative border. No flag waving either.

Why no flag waving Lixy?

Because it makes other people feel uncomfortable and excluded at the moment.

Because, and I am devastated to say it, I am not proud of this country, either as it is now or how colonizing people behaved in the past.

Because people go on and on about how tolerant and inclusive the UK is but it is just so much hot air. Both my AC married people from a different background so all my Gchn are in the any other ethnicity background group when filling in forms.

My British Asian SiL has ‘chinky’ shouted at him from passing cars but then people are pleased to get an appointment with him when he is in his GP role. Ironic really.

I do usually put out GB bunting during the Olympics to support athletes for that particular sporting event but no flag flying as a general rule.

Gosh - think you touched a nerve there Teazel!

Primrose53

www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmer-officially-most-unpopular-pm-ever/

DaisyAnneReturns

Thank you for the link.

The Spectator was founded in 1828 and has always been considered the “house journal” of the Conservative Party. The magazine was sold to UK hedge-fund investor Sir Paul Marshall for £100 million, a staggering sum for a publication that, in 2023, turned a profit of just £2.6 million. It's purchase makes Marshall one of the most influential media magnates in the UK, potentially second only to Rupert Murdoch. In 2017, after a successful career in the City of London, Marshall purchased the right-wing news and opinion website UnHerd. However, his role played in the launch of Britain’s first politically opinionated news channel – GB News – brought him to real prominence on the British media scene’s far right.

So I think we can guess the bias of the article you flagged.

None of this changes the facts. The, no doubt accurate at the time, poll was posted 10 days before the conference. I don't doubt Labour is doing badly at the moment. But why am I or others supposed to be worried about that. Sit back and see what's happen by the time they take October's poll.

StripeyGran

People of all ages can be tired? My AC look weary sometimes.

Can't be bothered to argue. So much sadness and dischord.
Sick of it all.

Oh dear.

However, I made a comment and you disagreed.

lixy

And while I’m here, please can I be on the naughty step with StripeyGran? I wouldn’t want any one, family or not, to have to fight for an administrative border. No flag waving either.

Why no flag waving Lixy?

lixy

A Farage Government - no thanks, especially one that includes Nadine Dorris. I had hoped that she has sloped off back to the jungle, but it seems not. Her interview with Kathy Newman on the channel 4 news last night was hilarious - they so obviously loathed each other.

I was told that she spent most of her time in parliament in her office writing her books. Surely she isn’t in love with Farage the way she was with Johnson ? Then again how can anyone not be impressed by a party consisting of Dorries Widdecombe and Lee Anderson…

And while I’m here, please can I be on the naughty step with StripeyGran? I wouldn’t want any one, family or not, to have to fight for an administrative border. No flag waving either.

A Farage Government - no thanks, especially one that includes Nadine Dorris. I had hoped that she has sloped off back to the jungle, but it seems not. Her interview with Kathy Newman on the channel 4 news last night was hilarious - they so obviously loathed each other.

People of all ages can be tired? My AC look weary sometimes.

Can't be bothered to argue. So much sadness and dischord.
Sick of it all.

They look tired, aren't we all?
They're younger than us, mostly.
Why should they look tired? They looked fed up and, frankly, embarrassed.

I did think Rachel Reeves looked quite exhausted but she did give a big speech.

Oreo

Allira

I think a mountain is being created out of a molehill here.
Many posters have used emojis on this thread.

Doodledog, the comment, as I read it, was meant to point out the irony of the subject; surely many of us noticed that at the Labour Party Conference?
But your leader endorses flag flying. How very dare you disagree with him! 🤣🤣

Some members do not look very enthusiastic.

😂
Their faces!

They look tired, aren't we all?

More bad news today.

Oreo

Allira

I think a mountain is being created out of a molehill here.
Many posters have used emojis on this thread.

Doodledog, the comment, as I read it, was meant to point out the irony of the subject; surely many of us noticed that at the Labour Party Conference?
But your leader endorses flag flying. How very dare you disagree with him! 🤣🤣

Some members do not look very enthusiastic.

😂
Their faces!

Is that Yvette Cooper who has shoved it down between her knees?

Am I allowed to 😂

Allira

I think a mountain is being created out of a molehill here.
Many posters have used emojis on this thread.

Doodledog, the comment, as I read it, was meant to point out the irony of the subject; surely many of us noticed that at the Labour Party Conference?
But your leader endorses flag flying. How very dare you disagree with him! 🤣🤣

Some members do not look very enthusiastic.

😂
Their faces!

Oh, come on. I'm sure yo're (sic) dying to say it.

Not a good idea to try and put words into people's mouths, Maizie D.

I think a mountain is being created out of a molehill here.
Many posters have used emojis on this thread.

Doodledog, the comment, as I read it, was meant to point out the irony of the subject; surely many of us noticed that at the Labour Party Conference?
But your leader endorses flag flying. How very dare you disagree with him! 🤣🤣

Some members do not look very enthusiastic.

I do not “hate my country” (whatever that might mean)

But I’m often ashamed by the attitude of what I consider a small, but very loud, bunch of people, not adverse to violence and aggression, who like to blame those without British citizenship for all their woes!

I was asking why a power was subjected to ridicule by the use of several 'rofl' emojis in response to her post. I can't remember who it was now, but we have all said in the past that if people spot that sort of thing they should comment on the thread rather than risk people feeling bullied, so I commented on it. I would be very surprised if you can find an example of me using 🤣 (other than on this thread where it was used very deliberately) as it is such an unpleasant reaction to someone's opinion, and whether I agree with people's opinions or not, I do respect their right to hold them. I don't think that asking about the intention behind the use of an emoji is policing, but of course you may think differently.

You decided to police the thread by telling me I shouldn't police it, and I responded by 'rolling on the floor laughing' which was done for effect, although that seemed to go over your head. You are making a mountain out of a molehill now though, so I will say no more.

PaynesGrey

I did post yesterday Wed 01-Oct-25 15:25:46 about who Starmer has said he considers to be working people. Page 16.

Yes, I did read that, thank ou PaynesGrey
It is also set out here:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-does-keir-starmer-think-a-working-person-is/