Breaking news, midnight - Peace in the Middle East?

Fact is Israel and its uk based arms manufacturers Elbit Systems, whose premises were attacked by PA, put a lot of pressure on the government to proscribe this group. No-one was hurt it was just equipment and buildings.

It was not 'throwing paint around ..... it was just equipment and buildings.'
It was injecting red paint deliberately into the engine of two planes to disable them and damaging their propellers with crowbars, at a cost of £7 million. Your ignorance about the seriousness of this attack is what is truly terrifying. I can only assume your support for this action comes because you consider a link to Israel to be sufficient justification for this attack.

They have found more bodies but many will be under piles of rubble and will need to be dug out. The bombs caused the rubble don't forget.
Israel knew that by bombing Gaza city they would be killing hostages.

Sorry, this is distressing, I don’t believe Hamas have ever had possession of all the hostages bodies, as some of them must surely still be under the rubble in bombed, restricted areas of Gaza, along with their captors.

Hamas obviously doesn’t know where the bodies are?

GrannyGravy13

AGAA4

Israel has now closed the Rafah crossing so aid can no longer get through. This is because only four of the deceased hostages have been returned.
The Red Cross are heading to Gaza to bring more of the deceased hostages back.
This peace seems to be very fragile.

Hamas agreed to return all hostages alive or their remains, they have reneged on the agreement.

The BBC is reporting that more bodies are being returned. It can't be that easy to find them in the rubble.

By the way, it's interesting that Israel still recognises Hamas as the government, which is does because it's holding Hamas responsible for complying. If Hamas weren't the government (as somebody has suggested) they wouldn't need to bother looking for bodies because they wouldn't be the government.

AGAA4

Israel has now closed the Rafah crossing so aid can no longer get through. This is because only four of the deceased hostages have been returned.
The Red Cross are heading to Gaza to bring more of the deceased hostages back.
This peace seems to be very fragile.

Hamas agreed to return all hostages alive or their remains, they have reneged on the agreement.

Israel has now closed the Rafah crossing so aid can no longer get through. This is because only four of the deceased hostages have been returned.
The Red Cross are heading to Gaza to bring more of the deceased hostages back.
This peace seems to be very fragile.

Maremia

My goodness, found that out without breaching any Official Secrets Act.

And?

I think it is fine to express a different view to the one he put forward. It isn't really to do with my view of her, I would say the same about any party leader putting forward that opinion.

Well, if the father of the house disagreed with her I assume she was just voicing a personal opinion not the view of her party. All she does is attack the government for the sake of attacking it. Do you honestly think she is a good party leader?

I don't understand why that would be shameful to express a different opinion, do you mean the way she did it?

I understand that today in parliament Keir Starmer supported a two state solution for Israel/Palestine and Badenoch criticised him for it. The father of the house then stood up and supported the Prime Minister. I think it’s shameful of Badenoch ( and Priti Patel was supporting her, too) to behave in this way. Thank goodness that there are still some good old school Conservatives in parliament.

MaizieD

MayBee70

Pleased to hear this. Although I still think that damaging military equipment even with just paint was a really stupid thing to do.

Stupid, perhaps, but who did it terrify?

It's criminal damage, which is already a criminal offence.

I feel the worst aspect is the ease with which they entered the grounds and buildings. A 'criminal' lack of security on the part of the RAF?

Yes

They are guilty of criminal damage, but not of terrorism.
Something is weird about the whole decision to proscribe.

MayBee70

Pleased to hear this. Although I still think that damaging military equipment even with just paint was a really stupid thing to do.

Stupid, perhaps, but who did it terrify?

It's criminal damage, which is already a criminal offence.

I feel the worst aspect is the ease with which they entered the grounds and buildings. A 'criminal' lack of security on the part of the RAF?

Pleased to hear this. Although I still think that damaging military equipment even with just paint was a really stupid thing to do.

In a major decision, the High Court ruled that the proscription of the group that has carried out break-ins at defence firms linked to ISRAEL as part of direct action protests, should be reviewed.

My goodness, found that out without breaching any Official Secrets Act.

Think it is called 'lobbying'.

GrannyGravy13

silverlining48

Fact is Israel and its uk based arms manufacturers Elbit Systems, whose premises were attacked by PA, put a lot of pressure on the government to proscribe this group. Noone was hurt it was just equipment and buildings.
There is an appeal against this decision in the offing and it looks like Scotland may remove the terrorist label on the PA shortly. The reason people are protesting is their belief that Criminal damage is not terrorism and pressure from another country is unacceptable.

I think damaging military aircraft is terrorism.

Are you implying that in certain areas the current Labour government is being controlled by outside forces?

I don't think silverlining is in fact privy to everything the Government has been told.
If she/he was, they wouldn't be telling us anything if they have inside knowledge of exactly why this group was proscribed - they would have signed the Official Secrets Act?

That is what I said. Throwing paint around should have not be termed terrorism, it’s criminal damage. Unless Yvette cooper has successfully stopped it an appeal is due to be heard in court shortly.

silverlining48

Fact is Israel and its uk based arms manufacturers Elbit Systems, whose premises were attacked by PA, put a lot of pressure on the government to proscribe this group. Noone was hurt it was just equipment and buildings.
There is an appeal against this decision in the offing and it looks like Scotland may remove the terrorist label on the PA shortly. The reason people are protesting is their belief that Criminal damage is not terrorism and pressure from another country is unacceptable.

What you have posted is not necessarily the whole reason.

silverlining48

Fact is Israel and its uk based arms manufacturers Elbit Systems, whose premises were attacked by PA, put a lot of pressure on the government to proscribe this group. Noone was hurt it was just equipment and buildings.
There is an appeal against this decision in the offing and it looks like Scotland may remove the terrorist label on the PA shortly. The reason people are protesting is their belief that Criminal damage is not terrorism and pressure from another country is unacceptable.

I think damaging military aircraft is terrorism.

Are you implying that in certain areas the current Labour government is being controlled by outside forces?

Fact is Israel and its uk based arms manufacturers Elbit Systems, whose premises were attacked by PA, put a lot of pressure on the government to proscribe this group. Noone was hurt it was just equipment and buildings.
There is an appeal against this decision in the offing and it looks like Scotland may remove the terrorist label on the PA shortly. The reason people are protesting is their belief that Criminal damage is not terrorism and pressure from another country is unacceptable.

ronib

I thought reference was made to the release of prisoners yesterday not in September?

The Israeli high court said they weren't being adequately fed in September. Do you think they suddenly had gourmet meals after that? Not by the looks of them yesterday.