Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Maremia

Good to know that the folk living locally are happy with the match to go ahead.

It’s on the outskirts of the city centre so I don’t think it’s a heavily populated part of Birmingham ( but must admit that I haven’t been back there for a while).

It's THE major conflict currently in the world, with feelings probably running higher than any other situation than I can think of at the moment.

Then shame on the world.

Sudan has been described as facing the world's worst humanitarian crisis; nearly 25 million people are experiencing extreme hunger.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre5rng5808o
Here a mother decides which of her twin daughters she will try to save.

Pretending that this is like any other footie march with some badly behaved supporters and therefore it should go ahead as per any other match with "some difficulties that can be managed by our police" is naive and misleading.

It's THE major conflict currently in the world, with feelings probably running higher than any other situation than I can think of at the moment. It's inevitable that people not concerned with the footie at all will possibly turn up as feelings run so very very high.

I think either a match in camera, or an agreement that the visiting fans will be escorted at all points and heavy policing to protect them whilst this happens is the only possible way forward.

"It's completely wrong to tackle anti-semitism by banning its victims"

Ed Davey

Maremia

Well then, the best plan, to keep them safe, has been suggested upthread.
No-one gets hurt.
Not the visitors,
or the local people
or the home team,
or the Police.
Result.

Let's just play all football matches without any fans attending, shall we?

Sorted.

Or just ban football altogether.
Even more sorted.

🤔

Maremia

It's from your own post Rosie, that only one group can reveal who they are.

Eh? Where have I said that only one group can reveal who they are?

Yes, I take your point Allira. The only folk that the Police are concerned about in this case are folk who live in the UK.
I still hold to my point that 'particular' fans of the Maccabe club are not saints.
Good that the Police do not see that their behaviour on other trips abroad, indicates trouble in store here.
The Police know what they can cope with.

Good to know that the folk living locally are happy with the match to go ahead.

Well as the PM, the police commissioner, and UEFA have all said not the right decision I am not sure how high up you want to go.

Perhaps somebody a lot higher up tham some Grans had intel.

Maremia

Is it 'shameful' for the Police to attempt to protect the local people from a group of foreign upporters who have shown by their own actions that they are not the best behaved.
Has anyone actually asked the people who lived local to the venue how they feel about the forthcoming match?

The people living close to Villa’s ground have thousands of supporters every other week in their neighbourhood.

The neighbourhood is predominantly Asian (apparently)

Have they objected to any other teams supporters?

Well then, the best plan, to keep them safe, has been suggested upthread.
No-one gets hurt.
Not the visitors,
or the local people
or the home team,
or the Police.
Result.

Is it 'shameful' for the Police to attempt to protect the local people from a group of foreign upporters who have shown by their own actions that they are not the best behaved.
Has anyone actually asked the people who lived local to the venue how they feel about the forthcoming match?

Maremia

But they must not be criticised Stripey.

So, because some football fans may be badly behaved, all should be banned?

Anyway, you and SG seem to be unaware the the reason given was that the Police cannot guarantee the safety of the fans from Tel Aviv so, apparently, it is nothing to do with their behaviour but all to do with the behaviour of people in the UK.

But they must not be criticised Stripey.

It's from your own post Rosie, that only one group can reveal who they are.

Allira

^what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent^.

No, we're not, although Gransnetters may be doing that.

We are talking about the police force using the excuse that they may not be able to protect the fans from Israel from protest groups in the UK.

As I already said - shameful.

I agree.

Jewish people around the world are penalised for acts they have no control over, many have never set foot in Israel or voted for the current government.

In the Johan Cruyff Arena, just before kick-off, Tel Aviv fans ignored a moment of silence honouring recent flood victims in Spain, triggering more hostilities inside the stadium

They seem delighful all round.

eazybee

^Amsterdam police and prosecutors said "antisemitic" rioters "actively sought out" Israeli supporters to attack and assault them. Footage emerged online which showed fans pulling down a Palestinian flag in central Amsterdam and anti-Arab chants could be heard.^
A report from the Amsterdam mayor's office said the violence stemmed from a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger" about the war between Israel and Gaza and other conflicts in the Middle East.
From Sky News.
Birmingham has been warned and has plenty of time to prepare, I recall being herded to one side of the concourse at B'ham's New Street Station to allow a mob of football hooligans be escorted by many police to buses to take them away.If they fear violence the match can be played behind closed doors, but it is deeply unfair to ban the supporters of only one side; this most certainly would be racist.

Yes, I remember it, eazybee

Surprising how the facts become more fluid over time.

Maremia

It is the criteria Rosie, and that's why some English club fans have also been banned from travelling. Easy to find on Google, so no need to wait for me to do your research.

Oh passive aggressive insults now, what fun!

Maremia

But it was said upthread Rosie. Have a read back.

I've read back a bit, can't find a post that says there's no Islamaphobia. As you know the post could you please either link to it or post the name of the poster and the time of the post. Thanks.

Amsterdam police and prosecutors said "antisemitic" rioters "actively sought out" Israeli supporters to attack and assault them. Footage emerged online which showed fans pulling down a Palestinian flag in central Amsterdam and anti-Arab chants could be heard.
A report from the Amsterdam mayor's office said the violence stemmed from a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger" about the war between Israel and Gaza and other conflicts in the Middle East.
From Sky News.
Birmingham has been warned and has plenty of time to prepare, I recall being herded to one side of the concourse at B'ham's New Street Station to allow a mob of football hooligans be escorted by many police to buses to take them away.If they fear violence the match can be played behind closed doors, but it is deeply unfair to ban the supporters of only one side; this most certainly would be racist.

what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent.

No, we're not, although Gransnetters may be doing that.

We are talking about the police force using the excuse that they may not be able to protect the fans from Israel from protest groups in the UK.

As I already said - shameful.

It is the criteria Rosie, and that's why some English club fans have also been banned from travelling. Easy to find on Google, so no need to wait for me to do your research.

Didn’t some English clubs become much more proactive when their teams played in other countries?

It’s the least we could do given their behaviour.