Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

I think if their own football club could guarantee their behaviour, then I think it would go some way into allowing their attendance.

If that is the criteria for away fans to attend I don't think there would be many clubs that could fulfil it, whether domestic or international. Perhaps that's the way forward, no away fans at any football match. I love football but hate the vile chants on a weekly basis at English football clubs. However I'd hate for away fans to be excluded.

But it was said upthread Rosie. Have a read back.

Rosie51 you don't seem to understand. The reason people are antagonistic to Israel is because of what has happened in Gaza.
It has nothing to do with religion for most. No other fans are being banned because no other country is attacking Palestinians.
I'm not saying it's right that Israelis are treated like this. They are not their extreme right government .

Rosie51

Whitewavemark2

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

The point is the Israeli football fans are subject to baiting and antisemitism. I'm not defending bad behaviour by either faction but don't pretend the pro Palestine groups are innocent. Just because they're football fans doesn't make them immune to antisemitism or racism.

Israelis/Jews are a tiny minority of the world's population but they're being blamed for every confrontation and aggression.

WWM2 are you at all concerned that some Jewish people are frightened to be 'openly Jewish' ?

Of course I am, I think it is dreadful that some people are too frightened to live their life openly. But that is about racism and how all sorts of people suffer from its consequences, what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent.

However, I do urge you to look at the footage relating to the Israeli fans behaviour, and I think you may understand why the English football club is so concerned.

Their chants and violent behaviour were pretty dreadful, and I’m not a bit surprised that they have been told that they were no longer welcomed, and why the English club is very nervous about their attendance.

I think if their own football club could guarantee their behaviour, then I think it would go some way into allowing their attendance.

Maremia

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Of course there's Islamaphobia in the UK. Has anybody said there isn't? Perhaps you'll remind me of the sports teams from Islamic countries whose supporters have been banned because we can't guarantee to keep our home grown thugs in line. I'll wait.

Let's be fair the Maccabi fans have been inciting violence too or doesn't F*ck Palestine count? Or burning the Palestine flag? It's not all the 'others' who are out of line.

Just where, on this Thread has any Poster claimed that violent pro Palestinians are 'innocent'?
Is this more about confusion than conflation?

I’ve just seen footage of what happened after the Amsterdam match on Ch4 News [ sad]. The police are just trying to protect people. Isn’t that why people are supposed to be protesting outside migrant hotels…to protect our citizens? On top of that my partner said he’s only been to two or three football grounds where kids ask you to pay them money to protect your car ( one of the others being Liverpool) and the Villa ground is one of them.

Whitewavemark2

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

The point is the Israeli football fans are subject to baiting and antisemitism. I'm not defending bad behaviour by either faction but don't pretend the pro Palestine groups are innocent. Just because they're football fans doesn't make them immune to antisemitism or racism.

Israelis/Jews are a tiny minority of the world's population but they're being blamed for every confrontation and aggression.

WWM2 are you at all concerned that some Jewish people are frightened to be 'openly Jewish' ?

Ooo, you are just so funny.
But please, conflation exists no matter how much you attempt to deflect.
Or maybe you don't think racism towards other groups is of importance?

Maremia

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Ooh look there’s a squirrel!

Oh stop with all the ‘ conflating this and conflating that’
Of course it isn’t all about football fans behaviour!
It’s about banning an Israeli team’s fans from coming into England in case pro Palestinians outside the ground cause trouble seeing lots of Israeli Jews and not being able to control their own violence towards them.
Then the police and Birmingham Council presumably being lily livered and saying they can’t possibly make things secure.

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

StripeyGran

Whitewavemark2

I do hope however, that if the Israeli supporters are allowed to attend that they dial down their rhetoric 😮😮. It was pretty shocking.

No no no, they are the good guys here. And we should all be ashamed of our country apparently.

When everybody knows the pro Palestine UK thugs are the real good guys.

"Gaza Gaza make us proud put those Zios in the ground." Zios, a term coined by a former grand master of the KKK. And now used by a privileged white man studying at a prestigious UK university.
Then chanted back by the crowds of pro Palestian protestors.

"From the river to the sea Palestine shall be free" (of Jews is never explicitly said but that's what they want) An attitude endorsed by CariadAgain on here.

Of course Netanyahu has gone way too far in the eyes of many, and the Palestinians need aid and help to rebuild, but the level of antisemitism, however it's dressed up, so openly displayed these days is horrifying.

I wonder why some Jewish children and adults are frightened and feeling the need to conceal their Jewishness in this country yet Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs appear not to. A real mystery.

Some team fans do have a poor reputation and Lazio, Red Star Belgrade and a couple of English team fans have a poor reputation for violence and hooliganism.

It really is up to the home football team to manage their fans imo.

Well I hope the police are ready to defend the English fans.

Amsterdam council decreed them unwelcome after they armed themselves with steel bars and went on the rampage through Amsterdam.

Perhaps their behaviour is now all sweetness and light?

Whitewavemark2

I do hope however, that if the Israeli supporters are allowed to attend that they dial down their rhetoric 😮😮. It was pretty shocking.

No no no, they are the good guys here. And we should all be ashamed of our country apparently.

I do hope however, that if the Israeli supporters are allowed to attend that they dial down their rhetoric 😮😮. It was pretty shocking.

The Government is working to reverse the decision to ban the supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv football club from attending the forthcoming match at Aston Villa. Apparently the West Midland Police have made the wrong decision.

Starmer's top team of Mahmood, Nandy and Reed have been drafted in to effect a solution.

In that case, AGAA4 's suggestion will work.
Bus them in safely.
Bus them out safely.
Planes straight home.
No bother.

Ah thanks Allira. So the behaviour of the fans at previous overseas venues was a different issue.

The decision is based on concerns from West Midlands Police about its ability to deal with potential protests relating the war between Israel and Gaza.

Sky News

Why were the Police concerned?

growstuff

Rosie51

UK resident supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv should be able to attend the match if foreign ones are not to be allowed. I'm sure there must be lots of people happy to go along and support the team in solidarity with their Jewish friends and family. It's quite horrifying how many people have no problem with a blanket ban of supporters purely because they're Jewish.

They're not being banned because they're Jewish. I don't know how many times it's been stated on GN that being Israeli (or even a fan of an Israeli team) is not to be conflated with being Jewish. I don't see why Jewish people in the UK (or anywhere) should be fans of an Israeli football club.

They're not being banned because they're Jewish

So why are they being banned then?

Is it because their safety will not be guaranteed in Britain?
If so, as I and others have said, we should be ashamed.

Or is it because you believe every single Israeli football supporter is a trouble making thug?

Why is that exactly?