Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

ronib

Could you drive a Bentley? I am impressed Growstuff

I'd give it a go!!

PS. Have to make sure my insurance is valid!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/05/uk-jewish-groups-condemn-israeli-minister-invite-tommy-robinson-israel

An interesting read especially the bit that outlines SYLs antisemitic roots. Indeed the thugs he has mixed with regularly sport swastika tattoos.
So either the Israelis that invited him and cheered him on are just so desperate for a far right Muslim hater that they will forgive his antisemitic proclivities, or they are unaware of this. Personally I very doubt the latter.
And of course SYL will ally himself with any cause that means he can flex a bit of racist muscle.

My bank allows me to withdraw £2k daily in cash …. Yes I was surprised but it seems a trivial amount these days ….

Could you drive a Bentley? I am impressed Growstuff

ronib

growstuff you don’t need to worry about friends who need Bentleys delivered but I’m more bothered by the police trying to convict Tommy Robinson on what seems to be a ridiculous charge. Get him on any pretext? Really it will just add to his street cred.

I dunno! If the police saw me driving a Bentley down the street, I would almost expect them to pull me over, especially if they found £2000 in used fivers (or whatever) because I'd look out of place.

Why does anybody need that much in cash anyway? Surely even drug dealers use Bitcoin these days.

growstuff you don’t need to worry about friends who need Bentleys delivered but I’m more bothered by the police trying to convict Tommy Robinson on what seems to be a ridiculous charge. Get him on any pretext? Really it will just add to his street cred.

ronib

I can’t help but think that Tommy Robinson is being treated in a very heavy handed way over the last police action. He was acting as a delivery man for a purchaser of an expensive Bentley when stopped by the police. The police demanded the pin number to his mobile phone citing the Terrorism Act. YL cited journalistic reasons for not giving the pin so he was arrested under the Terrorism Act. Also about £2k in cash found in the car.
Musk is paying for his defence. 3 months in prison if found guilty. Maybe I have missed some vital detail but this sounds barking mad?

It sounds like something from a second rate film.

I don't know about you, but I don't have too many friends who want me to deliver Bentleys and casually leave £2k in cash in the car.

I can't believe SYL doesn't have a number of phones for his various "activiities".

Maremia

Since Stephen Yaxley Lennon's name has come up, posts on Facebook hint that his recent visit to Israel was not quite the welcome he was hoping for.

Ho ho ho! Israelis have gone up in my estimation.

Since Stephen Yaxley Lennon's name has come up, posts on Facebook hint that his recent visit to Israel was not quite the welcome he was hoping for.

Whoops just caught this. No problems Lathyrus3, my last comment was an attempt at humour.
Now am off.

I can’t help but think that Tommy Robinson is being treated in a very heavy handed way over the last police action. He was acting as a delivery man for a purchaser of an expensive Bentley when stopped by the police. The police demanded the pin number to his mobile phone citing the Terrorism Act. YL cited journalistic reasons for not giving the pin so he was arrested under the Terrorism Act. Also about £2k in cash found in the car.
Musk is paying for his defence. 3 months in prison if found guilty. Maybe I have missed some vital detail but this sounds barking mad?

Well, I’m sorry if Babs thought I was being patronising. It was not intended that way. I very much respect the discussion I have had with Babs. She makes her views clear and without the need for personal insult and I would be much ashamed if my last comment to her made her think that I was doing that.

So to Babs I heartily apologise.

I do think her compassionate nature inhibits her ability to view the issue of public order in a rational way, just as my analytical and rather unemotional nature inhibits me from entering into a passionate support for either side.

The comment about Team Oreo is, well, just pathetic really. I wouldn’t hesitate to tell her if I thought she was missing the point.

I dont think any of my posts on any of the threads I’ve contributed to give the impression of someone who holds back in expressing her views.

@growstuff
Isn’t directed against you is directed against me.
Is fine. Have now been patronised and insulted in equal measure.
But hey ho have presently got a tooth abscess so am off the dentist soon. Will tune in later in the hopes I can be sent to the back of the class again.

Growstuff thanks. It’s good to know Yaxley Lennox’s desire to stir hate is recognised

Iam64

Oreo

I really think that points are getting lost on here.
Babs03 Why do you think me and Lathyrus are a team? Is that a tiny clique? We just agree on something is all.
Wyllow03 I agree with you totally that being Jewish or Muslim doesn’t make points any more valid ( it means our experience and world view inform our thoughts) but I also agree with Lathyrus that being too close to a subject can sometimes blind you.I do my best to not allow it to.

It’s increasingly difficult to discuss anything connected to Israel/Palestine on this forum without distortions or misunderstandings.
When did Lathryus and Oreo become a team? They’ll be a clique by the time I post this.
People are comfortable mentioning family and friends who are Muslim but don’t seem able to extend that acceptance to posters who are Jewish or have Jewish friends, or family. I have both fwiw.

Really? I hope that accusation isn't directed at me.

MayBee70

I hadn’t realised that. Netanyahu is controlled by the right wingers in his government though, or so I believe (happy to be corrected). But any involvement with Yaxley Lennon is of concern especially as his followers might get involved in any protests.

I picked up from social media (from some Israeli posters themselves) that they were becoming increasingly concerned by Yaxley Lennon's involvement in this issue. It would appear to be one of the reasons Maccabi football team decided to decline the tickets anyway.

They didn't want to be involved with Yaxley Lennon's mob and could foresee that the situation outside the ground could turn very nasty. They didn't want their fans to be connected to the same labels.

If YL mobilised his henchman (from his sun recliner in the Canaries - or wherever), it's likely that anti-racist counter demonstrators would turn up in addition to pro-Palestine supporters. It's likely there would be destruction to property and injuries to the public, police and horses.

I suspect there were behind-the-scenes negotiations going on and I respect Maccabi Tel Aviv for making an adult, sensible decision.

Thank you for your understanding Iam64 I think that sometimes a step back for a moment of calm works wonders.

Oreo

I really think that points are getting lost on here.
Babs03 Why do you think me and Lathyrus are a team? Is that a tiny clique? We just agree on something is all.
Wyllow03 I agree with you totally that being Jewish or Muslim doesn’t make points any more valid ( it means our experience and world view inform our thoughts) but I also agree with Lathyrus that being too close to a subject can sometimes blind you.I do my best to not allow it to.

It’s increasingly difficult to discuss anything connected to Israel/Palestine on this forum without distortions or misunderstandings.
When did Lathryus and Oreo become a team? They’ll be a clique by the time I post this.
People are comfortable mentioning family and friends who are Muslim but don’t seem able to extend that acceptance to posters who are Jewish or have Jewish friends, or family. I have both fwiw.

I really think that points are getting lost on here.
Babs03 Why do you think me and Lathyrus are a team? Is that a tiny clique? We just agree on something is all.
Wyllow03 I agree with you totally that being Jewish or Muslim doesn’t make points any more valid ( it means our experience and world view inform our thoughts) but I also agree with Lathyrus that being too close to a subject can sometimes blind you.I do my best to not allow it to.

I hadn’t realised that. Netanyahu is controlled by the right wingers in his government though, or so I believe (happy to be corrected). But any involvement with Yaxley Lennon is of concern especially as his followers might get involved in any protests.

Oreo

growstuff

MayBee70

Babs03

I think the pro Palestinian protestors would very quickly be joined not only with Maccabi fans but Yaxley Lennon and his thugs, all looking for a good kicking, promising to show up to support the Maccabi fans, if the game went ahead, so why Starmer and co were still eager to let the fans attend is beyond me.
There would have been multiple injuries - including of police officers - and even possible fatalities. Am not blaming any side, they would all kick off but am blaming the government for not putting the safety of the public and the police above their own political careers, which would have been tarnished with accusations of anti semitism if they had supported the ban.

Especially as Yaxley Lennon has recently been invited to give a talk in Israel. I mean, what was that all about and who is ready to condone it? It surely proves that there are extreme right wingers in Israel.

There have always been Israeli flags at right wing marches in the UK.

Yes there are, also some extreme right wingers in just about every country in the world. The point proves nothing.

Well, it must prove something, although I don't know what.

The reason I mentioned it is because connections between Israel and right wingers such as Yaxley Lennon are nothing new.

My point Oreo is that just because you are Jewish or Babs has Muslim relations doesn't mean either of you will automatically hold a predictable POV.

Lathyrus was suggesting that being one religion or another blinds you to being able to make valid points.

Obviously your being Jewish informs your POV but not every Jewish person thinks the same as you.

@Oreo

“You’ve done your best to get that message through but Babs03 just doesn’t seem to get it”

You mean I refuse to say that Lathyrus3 is right. I could equally say that neither you or Lathyrus3 get it.
To be honest I didn’t think you two were a team.

growstuff

MayBee70

Babs03

I think the pro Palestinian protestors would very quickly be joined not only with Maccabi fans but Yaxley Lennon and his thugs, all looking for a good kicking, promising to show up to support the Maccabi fans, if the game went ahead, so why Starmer and co were still eager to let the fans attend is beyond me.
There would have been multiple injuries - including of police officers - and even possible fatalities. Am not blaming any side, they would all kick off but am blaming the government for not putting the safety of the public and the police above their own political careers, which would have been tarnished with accusations of anti semitism if they had supported the ban.

Especially as Yaxley Lennon has recently been invited to give a talk in Israel. I mean, what was that all about and who is ready to condone it? It surely proves that there are extreme right wingers in Israel.

There have always been Israeli flags at right wing marches in the UK.

Yes there are, also some extreme right wingers in just about every country in the world. The point proves nothing.

Wyllow3

Lathyrus3

I’m really sorry that you can’t see past your personal involvement to the dangers of allowing any group threaten public disorder and violence in order to achieve their own aims.

I find that very patronising, frankly. A way of putting down someone making a political/social point.

We all have the ability to transcend who our relatives or friends are and make a thoughtful political point.

We may use their experiences as an example, surely we all do - but you are suggesting that Babs is less than able to make a valid point. If you said that to someone who had Jewish connections - now that would go down well, wouldnt it?

Hollow laugh Wyllow03 as a Jewish person I’ve been told that in various rude ways on many threads about Gaza.