Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Oh I can see how that might be misread.

I don’t think they are+worried about policing and preventing any trouble the Israeli supporters might attempt.

Has there been a lot of trouble with the Palestine supporters? It seems wherever Israel teams go trouble ensues. There has been problems in Amsterdam, Norway, Italy and Spain.
A cycling race had to be stopped due to protesters in Spain.
I don't like banning people but I hope if the ban is lifted nobody gets hurt. The residents around Aston Villa club want the ban to remain as they are afraid of the violence that could happen.
This is a very tricky situation.

Allira

Just 1,000?

Goodness, I thought we were expecting an influx of about 20,000!

There have been tens of thousands of people attending all the protests and they were policed somehow.

I don’t think it’s the 1000 Israeli supporters that they are worried about.

Just 1,000?

Goodness, I thought we were expecting an influx of about 20,000!

There have been tens of thousands of people attending all the protests and they were policed somehow.

I am suspicious.

Police can find manpower and resources to police 100 of 1,000s of pro Palestine supporters week after week, but cannot guarantee 1,000 (tickets available to Maccabi supporters apparently) Israeli football fans?

It’s hate speech alright, why isn’t he being talked to by police for incitement?

You can never tell on this forum Allira🤔

Liloldlady

Now the troops are out of Gaza why not fly some over to keep the Israeli supporters under control!!

Which troops?

Israeli troops?
Armed Israeli troops on the streets of Birmingham?

I assume that is a joke.

escaped

I think it's unfair to equate football with aggression and violence when it has been trying so hard with its No Room For Racism Action Plan, updated only a couple of months ago.
All clubs profess to tackle racism in football and in our wider society, so why don't Aston Villa want to demonstrate this against these particular opponents and fans should trouble arise? You can't pick and choose.

Well said.

Aston Villa's decision is suspect and would seem to be racist.
Was it prompted by the local MP?
The MP for the area, Khan, is an ally of Muslim influencer Asrar Rashid who has urged followers to show 'no mercy' to Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters.

That is hate speech and the MP should not be condoning it.

I still say ban the troublemakerls

Troublemakers of all kinds should be banned from sporting events, protest marches, anywhere they are a potential danger to others.

However, that does not mean that all the rival team's supporters are "thugs", does it.

Of course, known troublemakers should not be allowed near the ground.
However, tarnishing them all with the same brush is very wrong.

Or are you saying they would be in danger from other elements, our own troublemakers here in the UK? If so, those troublemakers need to be dealt with so that everyone can go about their business peacefully on our streets.

Kate1949

I don't think they are being banned because they are Israeli. They are being band for fear of violence.

Both are intertwined.
If they weren’t from Israel then they wouldn’t be banned for coming over here.
People in Birmingham and it’s environs who are so anti Israel that they intend to cause trouble plus anyone from anywhere else in the UK eager for violence should be corralled/ kettled by police. There should have been plans put in place already but there’s still time.

Quite honestly I can't understand why any fans from Israel would want to come here, bearing in mind the antisemitism that is now unfortunately so rife in this country these days. Their team will undoubtedly be subjected to vile shrieks and boos, which will be bad enough, but to pay good money to deliberately come here, knowing what awaits you seems pretty foolish. Mind you neither DH or I am evenly remotely interested in football, so maybe that colours my opinion. That aside, I find myself hoping that Tel Aviv win!

Just the two of them go Maremia. They are on their 30s. Its the hordes that will probably descend from all over the UK that worry me.

I think it's unfair to equate football with aggression and violence when it has been trying so hard with its No Room For Racism Action Plan, updated only a couple of months ago.
All clubs profess to tackle racism in football and in our wider society, so why don't Aston Villa want to demonstrate this against these particular opponents and fans should trouble arise? You can't pick and choose.

Now the troops are out of Gaza why not fly some over to keep the Israeli supporters under control!!

Will they go in a group Kate, with lots of friends?
Very possibly, after all of the banning, the visitors will be out to prove how well they can behave.
Hope so.

Didn't know about Athens.

I hope our nephews don't go whatever the decision but I fear they will.

Maremia

Do you not think their actions in Holland, Norway and Italy might have some bearing on the suggested and probably soon to be revoked ban?

There was trouble in Athens, too, in 2024

footballgroundguide.com/news/fight-breaks-out-in-athens-after-political-views-are-voiced.html

If the ban is revoked, can you just imagine the amount of people travelling to the ground from all over? That's very frightening.

Yes OP, in my view, yours, as referenced,
is the best of all proposals so far.
And as the ban will most likely be revoked, it could be what happens.

Do you not think their actions in Holland, Norway and Italy might have some bearing on the suggested and probably soon to be revoked ban?

Even if no fans come over, there will need to be a massive security operation because the likelihood of the team and those associated with it like trainers etc being attacked is more than a probability.Both on the pitch and off it. The tightest of security for hotels and transport.

A massive demonstration outside the ground too.

I hope those in government are considering all the implications of what this one event has brought to the fore and that the police are not thrown to the wolves in policing something that is not possible for them.

I don't think they are being banned because they are Israeli. They are being band for fear of violence.

M0nica

GrannyGravy13

M0nica why ban Aston Villa fans from their home ground?

I think The Prince of Wales would be rather pieved, he is an ardent Villa fan.

Well, what fair to all solution are you suggesting in its place?

Why ban Aston Villa fans from their ground? Why ban the Haifa(?) supporters from watching their team play? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

My point which you obviously missed is that the Aston Villa fans have not done anything to warrant not being able to watch their team at their home ground.

Maccaba Tel Aviv fans are being banned due to being Israeli.