Posters ready to disrupt

I don’t understand why those ( Farage et al) who tell everyone that they are the true patriots are the very ones telling everyone how awful this country is. Until Brexit I’d never had people shouting nasty things to me in the street .

AGAA4

I agree "Maybee70* Brexit split the country and the cracks have not healed.

I didn't realise the cracks were there until Brexit, but the country was already splitting.

Many were disenchanted with politics altogether & not voting, people like Farage & Dominic Cummings latched on to this & turned their fed-upness into a crusade about "Broken Britain" & against the status quo.Which swung the vote for Brexit.

rafichagran

I don't mind the arguments on the news and politics thread, however when we have light hearted threads and the topic is not to the liking of some, they come on and behave like sulky mean girls, ok if they are in the mood, but nasty and belittling if not.
Also if they do not like a thread they derail it, often taking the p...

Sulky mean girls is a very good description but they put me off because they can be so rude. You can agree to disagree without the insults.

Perhaps those posters who disapprove of certain threads should write out a list of subjects which meet their approval so that we who are not in the know become aware of which subjects are considered suitable for threads and which are not on the Approved List?

It might be helpful.

butterandjam

windmill1

Voltaire: "I disaprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

No censorship, if you please.

Seriously?

I don't know where you are, Windmill, but in UK speech censorship has the full backing of the law. We do NOT have the "right" to incite hatred, racism, violence etc on Gransnet
(or anywhere public) .

Not everyone agrees with your views. This judge certainly doesn’t.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/man-fined-for-burning-quran-in-london-wins-appeal-against-conviction

Or some of us not being as green as we are cabbage looking.

Horses for courses.

Does anyone post in a deliberate manner? I don't think so. And different posters latch on to different things. So starting a thread can go either way. It might look contrived to some, but that's pure chance and not intentional.

No, I don't think they do either.

Posters may see something topical, something new reported in the media and decide to start a thread about it.

Those who may disagree may see it as trying to goad, or disrupt. That, however, is just their view.
Other opinions are available.

I think some of us have a higher tolerance for insults Galaxy, I prefer to let things stand, as do quite a few like minded posters, and those who give out the insults think they have scored a victory, so nobody reports some offensive posts.

If it’s a lack of consistency as you think, then who else is there to blame?
The moderators rely on the members to report anything they think should be looked at.Some forums have moderators on the site themselves who as part of the thread zap anything they think needs deleting.This site is different.
Only they decide on what should be deleted.
If things are only just outside the guidelines then I guess they still don’t comply.But it’s not up to us as members to decide what is and what isn’t.

I try not to report ( I do as I have said always report trolls) but sometimes I do wonder if I am doing the right thing. I have let some fairly terrible posts stand although I have challenged them, but it isn't me who is taking the risk is it, if I ignore a post that is libellous or calls for someone to be shot, it is not me who will be held responsible for that, it is MN.

Isn’t the issue about a lack of consistency, which cannot be blamed on GNHQ. Some people are trigger happy reporters, some don’t report even the most gross rule breakers, which results in some pretty innocuous, just outside the guidelines, posts being deleted, while other, much stronger, remain visible.

Galaxy

I had a post deleted once, I was right but I understood completely why it was deleted, and didn't blame them in the slightest. I managed to survive.

Same here.

escaped

If I start a thread, (only occasionally), I'm certainly not bothered how many people are going to join in, or even whether it is viewed as too light-hearted by some.

And if a poster wants to have a little chat, that's fine too, I don't belong to a clique. And I've never excluded anyone.

Does anyone post in a deliberate manner? I don't think so. And different posters latch on to different things. So starting a thread can go either way. It might look contrived to some, but that's pure chance and not intentional.

I have to agree, and wonder where all these deliberate threads are?
Surely threads are started because something’s in the news, a topical subject generally or just something the OP is interested in. Nobody has to comment on a thread if they’d rather not.

I had a post deleted once, I was right but I understood completely why it was deleted, and didn't blame them in the slightest. I managed to survive.

foxie48 posters can’t decide what’s to be deleted, all they can do is ask the moderators to look at the post.
GN HQ always decide.
You or wwm2 may not think your post broke guidelines but the moderators thought otherwise.

If I start a thread, (only occasionally), I'm certainly not bothered how many people are going to join in, or even whether it is viewed as too light-hearted by some.

And if a poster wants to have a little chat, that's fine too, I don't belong to a clique. And I've never excluded anyone.

Does anyone post in a deliberate manner? I don't think so. And different posters latch on to different things. So starting a thread can go either way. It might look contrived to some, but that's pure chance and not intentional.

Casdon I've seen those and tbh just ignore them now but recently there seem to be less of them.
CariadAgain I've only had one post deleted and I'm pretty confident it didn't break the guidelines as I'm really careful, but it must have rattled someone enough for them to ask for it to be deleted. WWM was deleted shortly after for a similar comment, banned and then reinstated. Make of it what you will but it makes no sense to me. I now look at deletions in a very different way, previously I'd assumed someone had made an unpleasant comment that broke the guidelines, now I wonder who reported it!

Allira

Casdon

Allira

Casdon

Some posters deliberately start posts with the intention to disrupt, by using phrases that they know others will respond badly to. Lots of posters have strong opinions about anything you could think of, but cross words are always exchanged when the gauntlet is thrown down from the outset. I’ve never understood why it’s necessary.

It's different perceptions, though, Casdon.

A poster may start a thread about something they saw on the news or read in the Daily Telegraph in good faith, thinking it is of interest, and that sometimes enrages other posters with a different viewpoint.
(Heaven forbid anyone should quote from the Daily Mail! 😲)

It's not throwing down a gauntlet because those who are enraged could well start a thread about something which others might not agree with.

Sensible discussion goes out of the window.

Some retreat, thinking, oh well, it's only an online forum with people I don't know and I really cbb to give my viewpoint again because some are intransigent or think they occupy the moral high ground.

But that is just their own perception too.

I don’t believe that those regular posters who start threads with extremely similar titles to others that have sparked controversy, or who post trigger phrases that have been used before don’t know exactly what they are doing Allira. New posters, maybe, but not those who know how News and Politics threads go. Call me cynical.

Go and sit in Cynics' Corner, Casdon 😁

Are you referring to those with who might support Farage by any chance? I'm not one of them but I understand that he is rather popular.

If those who dislike him and his politics didn't rise to what is termed the bait every time, there wouldn't be such controversy.

However, we'd then just be a bland forum full of 'yes' people, patting each other on the back.

No, I’m talking about anybody who starts threads in a similar inflammatory vein on a regular basis. I don’t think it’s a political thing, it’s just some — stirrers who like to get the pot boiling. If we are to raise the game, and talk about issues like adults, we need to stop those threads escalating.

Almost makes me wish I'd written down posts I put up that defo were not libellous or a personal attack or hate speech or racist etc - and yet still some have been removed. They were well within the guidelines - and yet removed. Most odd....

But I certainly have noticed people misusing the reporting facility just because they personally don't like what someone else said or the language they used to say it.

We don't notice that there must have been reports about a post if the post is not deleted. If you know something we don't, then how?
If it is deleted because it is against GN guidelines, potentially libellous, a personal attack, hate speech, racist etc.

Casdon

Allira

Casdon

Some posters deliberately start posts with the intention to disrupt, by using phrases that they know others will respond badly to. Lots of posters have strong opinions about anything you could think of, but cross words are always exchanged when the gauntlet is thrown down from the outset. I’ve never understood why it’s necessary.

It's different perceptions, though, Casdon.

A poster may start a thread about something they saw on the news or read in the Daily Telegraph in good faith, thinking it is of interest, and that sometimes enrages other posters with a different viewpoint.
(Heaven forbid anyone should quote from the Daily Mail! 😲)

It's not throwing down a gauntlet because those who are enraged could well start a thread about something which others might not agree with.

Sensible discussion goes out of the window.

Some retreat, thinking, oh well, it's only an online forum with people I don't know and I really cbb to give my viewpoint again because some are intransigent or think they occupy the moral high ground.

But that is just their own perception too.

I don’t believe that those regular posters who start threads with extremely similar titles to others that have sparked controversy, or who post trigger phrases that have been used before don’t know exactly what they are doing Allira. New posters, maybe, but not those who know how News and Politics threads go. Call me cynical.

Go and sit in Cynics' Corner, Casdon 😁

Are you referring to those with who might support Farage by any chance? I'm not one of them but I understand that he is rather popular.

If those who dislike him and his politics didn't rise to what is termed the bait every time, there wouldn't be such controversy.

However, we'd then just be a bland forum full of 'yes' people, patting each other on the back.

Lyndie

It’s very sad that a lot of us are self censoring for fear of retribution.

Agreed.

It’s very sad that a lot of us are self censoring for fear of retribution.

How many times have you been told CariadAgain by various posters that GN moderation is nothing to do with posters having different opinions or not liking each other.
A poster can report any post at all but nothing will be deleted unless it breaks guidelines and only moderators will decide on it.If you doubt this then contact them to ask.