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MayBee70 Thu 23-Oct-25 13:59:15

“A landmark deal to cut global shipping emissions has been abandoned after Saudi Arabia and the US succeeded in ending the talks.
More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But US President Donald Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they voted in favour of it.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio declared the outcome a "huge win" for Trump.
But reflecting the pressure countries faced, the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organisation Arsenio Dominguez issued a "plea" for this not to be repeated.
In a dramatic conclusion on Friday, when countries should have been voting to approve the deal, Saudi Arabia tabled a motion to adjourn the talks for a year.
The chairman said this would mean that the agreement was not approved, as key timelines for the treaty would have to be revised.
The motion passed by just a handful of votes.
Hon. Ralph Regenvanu, Minister for Climate Change for the Republic of Vanuatu, said Saudi Arabia's motion was "unacceptable given the urgency we face in light of accelerating climate change".
"We came to London in reluctant support of the IMO's Net-Zero Framework. While it lacks the ambition that climate science demands, it does mark a significant step," he said.
The shipping industry has been broadly supportive of the deal because it offered consistent global standards.
Speaking after the talks ended, Thomas Kazakos, secretary-general of the industry body the International Chamber of Shipping, said : "We are disappointed that member states have not been able to agree a way forward at this meeting."
"Industry needs clarity to be able to make the investments," he added.
The UK and most EU nations voted to continue the talks, but some countries including Greece went against the EU bloc and voted to abstain.
The countries that voted in favour of adjourning the talks included Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US, who raised concerns that the deal would lead to price rises for consumers.
Some key countries including China that had initially voted to support the deal in April agreed to delay proceedings.
Island states Bahamas also changed their position and Antigua and Barbuda, who agreed in April, abstained. A delegate from the island states group told the BBC that these nations particularly rely on the US for trade and had been leaned on heavily by the Trump administration to change their position.
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The deal was first agreed in April after ten years of negotiations and was considered historic as it meant shipping was set to become the first industry in the world with internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
The agreement had meant that from 2028 ship owners would have to use increasingly cleaner fuels or face fines.
Shipping currently makes up 3% of global emissions, with levels increasing in line with global trade rises – 90% of goods are currently transported via the sea. Unlike other sectors shipping has been unable to reduce its emissions, in part due to the lack of cost incentive.
"There is no fuel as cheap as diesel that ships use today because when we take crude oil out of the ground, we take out all the nice bits, that's the kerosene for aviation, diesel and petrol for cars," Faig Abbasov, programme director for maritime transport at think tank Transport and Environment, told the BBC during the last IMO negotiations.
This means without intervention the International Maritime Organisation , externalpreviously estimated that by 2050 emissions could grow by between 10% and 150%.
The meeting this week in London between nations had been to make the final approval and finalise the next steps. But since April the US has been increasingly vocal about its objections to the plan which they are concerned could raise prices for goods for its consumers.
Posting on Truth Social on Thursday night President Trump wrote: "The United States will NOT stand for this Global Green New Scam Tax on Shipping. We will not tolerate increased prices on American Consumers."
With talks now delayed the carefully planned timeline to get the regulations in place for 2028 does not appear feasible.
"A delay in action may require changes to the text of agreement that undermine the planned timeline, and could revert years of work to date," said Blánaid Sheeran, an observer to the talks and policy officer at environmental NGO Opportunity Green.
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I think people need to remember the amount of chaos and destruction this man is creating both in his own country and abroad…angry

Casdon Fri 24-Oct-25 14:57:49

I did a bit of literature digging. This is such a very different story to the construction of the original swimming pool, which was built on a terrace between two wings so didn’t affect the integrity of the external structure of the White House. The public raised money for it to be built for Franklin D Roosevelt because he suffered from poliomyelitis. How times have changed.

Newatthis Fri 24-Oct-25 14:50:57

Another thought - how many immigrant workers are building the new ballroom given that most of the hard graft in the USA is done by immigrant workers? Will he get ICE in when the ballroom is complete to deport all of them? I expect hgis rules on this don't apply when they are 'serving' him.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:45:29

😀 have you seen the plans - honestly - the integrity of the building will be totally ruined.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:41:53

There is a precedent, POTUS Nixon converted the swimming pool into a press briefing room then excavated beneath to construct a bowling alley.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:40:46

Trump has taken out yet another ship sailing in international waters.

He is totally out of control.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:10:31

Apparently, the original plan was to seat something like 600 people, but the building plans were enlarged to accommodate 1000, in order that an inauguration can be staged in the event of inclement weather. Bullet proof windows have been added.

No way is he building this for another president!

MayBee70 Fri 24-Oct-25 13:48:01

Whitewavemark2

Just looking at the plans for the ballroom.

Absolutely ghastly - it totally overwhelms the White House, which was modelled on the neoclassical style. So the balance of the rather lovely building is destroyed.

I wonder when someone is going to say no to Trump?

I’ve just watched a video tour of what it was like before it was demolished. It was beautiful.

imaround Fri 24-Oct-25 13:29:53

Steve Bannon has said they have a plan for a 3rd term. I hope he goes to the light before then. We would still be in this mess, but at least it would be with a different a-hole.

He is not allowed to tear down the White House. He can make changes, but it has to go through a process with the Historical Committee. This monstrosity would not have been allowed.

Grandmabatty Fri 24-Oct-25 08:57:13

Not being American, I don't know the ins and outs, however I feel the republican party are much to blame for not speaking out against his, frankly delusional, decisions. It's as if they are holding their collective noses.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 08:33:13

Just looking at the plans for the ballroom.

Absolutely ghastly - it totally overwhelms the White House, which was modelled on the neoclassical style. So the balance of the rather lovely building is destroyed.

I wonder when someone is going to say no to Trump?

foxie48 Fri 24-Oct-25 08:05:48

I don't think he has any intention of leaving his Presidential mar a lago, hence the gold and the ballroom. I hope I'm wrong but he's going to try for a third term and if he doesn't get it, there will be a civil war. He's challenging all the checks and balances on his powers and he's getting away with it so why would he stop there?

Ladyleftfieldlover Fri 24-Oct-25 07:39:44

I thought he was a dreadful man back in 2015 and I haven’t changed my mind. He has surrounded himself with under qualified yes-men who do what he asks. I am very sorry for America but unless the media begins to stand up to him and question his constant lies, they are probably doomed. It is the midterm elections next year. Will he create a reason for them not to go ahead? And if they go ahead, and the Republicans lose badly, will trump create another 6 January scenario?

CariadAgain Fri 24-Oct-25 07:35:14

I don't pay that much heed to America - but I must confess I was astonished he's allowed to remodel the White House - as it's not "his" home - it's the "President's" home and that's not the same thing at all. He's just temporary custodian of a national asset.

But yep...his ego is showing right, left and centre. He's very much a bit of a "mixture" - with on the one hand trying to stop all America's illegal immigration and, on the other hand, cutting necessary social welfare.

I'm not familiar with the news from Portland - what is happening there?

David49 Fri 24-Oct-25 07:24:08

imaround

He is pissing a lot of his voters off.

And he destroyed the ENTIRE east wing of the white house. I can't even talk about that.

You know we love Halloween here. In our local Facebook communities, we are being asked the have no perishable items available to families of we can afford to purchase food.

That is how bad it is about to get.

The tariffs he has imposed are upsetting the farmers and other small business owners that are struggling and consumers facing higher prices. Unless he improves the economy for everyone he won’t last long, we can hope

imaround Fri 24-Oct-25 01:01:04

He is pissing a lot of his voters off.

And he destroyed the ENTIRE east wing of the white house. I can't even talk about that.

You know we love Halloween here. In our local Facebook communities, we are being asked the have no perishable items available to families of we can afford to purchase food.

That is how bad it is about to get.

MaizieD Thu 23-Oct-25 22:48:02

I got this from SM. Apparently Trump is claiming compensation from the US government for being prosecuted before he became president.

President Trump is demanding that the Justice Department pay him about $230 million in compensation for the federal investigations into him, according to people familiar with the matter, who added that any settlement might ultimately be approved by senior department officials who defended him or those in his orbit.

The situation has no parallel in American history, as Mr. Trump, a presidential candidate, was pursued by federal law enforcement and eventually won the election, taking over the very government that must now review his claims. It is also the starkest example yet of potential ethical conflicts created by installing the president’s former lawyers atop the Justice Department.

The story is from the New York Times (£). This post should give you a free link to the article

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If you don't like SM links (It's BlueSky so should be OK) you can try this but it might not be free:

www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/us/politics/trump-justice-department-compensation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.vE8.9R08.vkgABUWqqVio&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

MayBee70 Thu 23-Oct-25 22:38:08

Kennedy has stopped research into long covid I believe. I think the lack of medical research in America is going to have terrible repercussions in years to come.

Wyllow3 Thu 23-Oct-25 22:31:30

A certain correspondent known to us reports

"As much as he is destroying, and so quickly, his rural voters are starting to realize they messed up. They are losing their only healthcare clinics in small towns. This article shows a good picture of what is happening quietly.

newrepublic.com/article/202100/transcript-maga-farmers-suddenly-shocked-trump-screwing-badly

Sadly, the food banks here are empty because he took away the grants and finding. Literally empty. Nov 1st, everyone will lose their SNAP benefits, which are food stamps and welfare benefits. I am already seeing posts on social media of people begging for food to feed their kids. I've never seen anything like it in the sheer volume of people asking for help to feed their kids.

If the shutdown lasts another week, I think we will start seeing some unrest. Grocery stores are already preparing for an increase in theft. Workers are reporting required employee meetings to discuss things this week.

We are about to witness large swaths of society all over the country, millions of people, not have food, healthcare or jobs over the next couple of months.

We are at the precipice of something. Hopefully it is a change for good.

MayBee70 Thu 23-Oct-25 20:11:42

valdavi

Why does he want a ballroom - he's of the 'shuffle about & never mind the music' school.

It's ironic the main reason I hear for not implementing green measures, is that it won't make any difference because china / india / russia /... will go on polluting.This was a level playing field for all states taking the same measures at the same time, but still - USA won't play.

Oh come on. You’ve seen his dance moves at his rallies. Eat your heart out John Travolta grin!

valdavi Thu 23-Oct-25 19:51:45

Why does he want a ballroom - he's of the 'shuffle about & never mind the music' school.

It's ironic the main reason I hear for not implementing green measures, is that it won't make any difference because china / india / russia /... will go on polluting.This was a level playing field for all states taking the same measures at the same time, but still - USA won't play.

Maremia Thu 23-Oct-25 17:42:00

Another theory about the ballroom, apart from that it will look very similar to one that Putin has, is what is planned to go deep underneath.

Maremia Thu 23-Oct-25 17:39:24

The Portland People are just so brave, because the troops could turn on them, on a whim.

Maremia Thu 23-Oct-25 17:38:39

Think I agree with you Lyndie.

Lyndie Thu 23-Oct-25 16:43:58

We need you manufacture in-house so goods goods don't need to shipped all over the world. Would also mean money would be kept in our country. I am not a globalist. It hasn't worked for ordinary people but made some countries and individuals richer beyond anyone's widest dreams.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 23-Oct-25 16:21:43

He is also committing death and destruction on international waters, without producing a shred of evidence.

He is also completely trashing a historical building - all in the best possible taste!!