Another stabbing by an immigrant. When do we wake up and smell the coffee?

StoneofDestiny

*I’m not a racist, but*

Can’t believe somebody actually typed that 😂😂

It’s entirely possible to type that and mean it and for it to be true.
It all depends on the message that comes after it.

Another thread where racism is denied, the govt blamed for ‘doing nothing’ and anger directed at asylum seekers in general.

foxie48, thanks for posting the terrible experience your daughter was subjected to. Hope her recovery is a positive one

I’m not a racist, but

Can’t believe somebody actually typed that 😂😂

Cossy

Well said and I’m so so sorry about what happened to your DD. I do hope she has made a full recovery, at least physically.

Physically, yes but emotionally, no. She has moved to a different town and that has helped but it has severely knocked her confidence. I think it's easy to underestimate the effect that completely unprovoked attacks have on the victims.

Doesn’t anyone think of 1939 and see any parallels?

Yes - sadly, particularly when I see posts like Sago has put up.

Sago
The government are not standing by an allowing this. That’s a ridiculous thing to suggest. There are sadly stabbings by all sorts of people - native British people young and old. The prisons are full of native British people convicted of killing people. You talk as if we had no murders and no knife crime before we had asylum seekers!

BlueBelle

When do we get a thread headed ‘Another crime committed by a white Englishman’ and believe you me there are a thousand times more but these titles all better the racists cause and the many shouting to get rid of immigrants don’t even count themselves as racist
Every time there is a title like this it’s a stab in the back (excuse the saying) for every person living here who is trying to be a good citizen, every heading like this revs the population up and plays straight into Tommy Robinson/Farage s dirty little mits

From now on when we start a thread about a crime be it a child killed at the hands of the parents a girl killed by an out of control dog a love gone wrong I want you to add White or Caucasian in the title
The newspapers and media in general has a LOT to answer for

Doesn’t anyone think of 1939 and see any parallels ?

Yes! I see many many parallels with 1939 and many Mosley type supporters.

I find it both tragic and scary.

Well said and I’m so so sorry about what happened to your DD. I do hope she has made a full recovery, at least physically.

Franski

Not sure what waking up and smelling the coffee means in this situation?

The Afghan man wasn't someone who arrived by small boat. I don't know his background but I presume he was an immigrant who sought and gained asylum in the UK fleeing from a Taliban controlled tyranny. I would do the same.
This stabbing was horrendous but it's no reason to judge all other immigrants now or in the future.
Have you seen knife crime figures lately? It is our very own young men who make up both perpetrators and victims.

Absolutely right, there are stabbings every day across our country and all kinds of people being both victims and perpetrators.

I’d rather see a real move to heavily punish knife crime and a move to educate our young people.

I’m not sure how many more times I can state “bad” people exist across all nations.

BlueBelle

When do we get a thread headed ‘Another crime committed by a white Englishman’ and believe you me there are a thousand times more but these titles all better the racists cause and the many shouting to get rid of immigrants don’t even count themselves as racist
Every time there is a title like this it’s a stab in the back (excuse the saying) for every person living here who is trying to be a good citizen, every heading like this revs the population up and plays straight into Tommy Robinson/Farage s dirty little mits

From now on when we start a thread about a crime be it a child killed at the hands of the parents a girl killed by an out of control dog a love gone wrong I want you to add White or Caucasian in the title
The newspapers and media in general has a LOT to answer for

Doesn’t anyone think of 1939 and see any parallels ?

Yes, the media is always behind this somewhere but people can't or won't see it because it feeds into their fears.

What a sad reflection on our society some of these posts have become...

Well I wouldn't,Kandinsky because if the comment was linked to the behaviour of an individual and didn't stereotype a group completely unfairly, I'd be absolutely fine with the comments. My daughter was attacked in the summer by a white male and female who knocked her down and kicked her in the head and body while she lay there completely helpless. They stole her phone and tried take her handbag. She spent a week in hospital and it didn't even make the local news in the small town where she lived. The kick that broke her nose could easily have killed her or blinded her. The kicks that broke her ribs and gave her a pneumothorax could have done far more damage. I think her assailants could accurately be described as white trash and I used much stronger language when I heard what had happened to her quietly walking home on a summer evening from a book club.
Let's keep accusations of racism to what is actually "racism" otherwise it completely devalues what racism actually is.

...I did see that you said it was a complex picture though Galaxy which is inevitable if the data doesn't really exist.
I found this with the knife crime issue. If we don't have the "right" data we can't extrapolate easily!

I have looked that up Galaxy as you suggested:

The figures produced by Sky are the result of comparing wholly unrelated population data - the result of too many in the media simply refusing to accept that foreign nationals are disproportionately convicted for certain crimes. Gerrymandering irrefutable statistics by comparing apples and pears.

"I note Sky News has never once reported on Ministry of Justice data which shows a quarter of sexual assault and rape convictions last year were of foreign nationals.

"When beginning their reporting on this issue, Sky News approached the ONS with only a partial representation of what they sought to report. Official data in this country is in a woeful condition, and the APS is the only dataset which reports on nationality, with Afghan nationals in the APS closely marrying the number of passport holders in the census. To blindly insist on using 'country of birth' rather than 'nationality' reeks of an agenda which does a huge disservice to your readers.

news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

You will see at the end that the data had to be corrected.

That is racist the same as black trash would be. Why focus on colour at all

Yes it is. I’m not going to report it. leave it there so everyone can see how she thinks, and all the people patting her on the back agreeing with her.
If someone said ‘ black trash’ they’d be falling over themselves telling you how racist you are.

Sky news have an analysis of the figures relating to sxual offences by males from Afghanistan if you Google not spaghetti, complex picture as you imagine but I would suggest pretending there might not be an issue won't help anyone.

My DH is in hospital at the moment and 90% of his carers are immigrants including his surgeon.

Bukkie

Sago - You are spot on. I agree we have our homegrown criminals always have and always will but immigrants commit a disproportionately large amount of violent and sexual crimes and we don't need them arriving on a daily basis adding to the numbers. Making childish comments about coffee isn't going to help the situation.

Where do you get this info from please as I've struggled to find it?

Thank you.

This is open forum Gransnet. The Thread title is an invitation, not a command.
It is not a discussion if only one aspect it raised.

When do we get a thread headed ‘Another crime committed by a white Englishman’ and believe you me there are a thousand times more but these titles all better the racists cause and the many shouting to get rid of immigrants don’t even count themselves as racist
Every time there is a title like this it’s a stab in the back (excuse the saying) for every person living here who is trying to be a good citizen, every heading like this revs the population up and plays straight into Tommy Robinson/Farage s dirty little mits

From now on when we start a thread about a crime be it a child killed at the hands of the parents a girl killed by an out of control dog a love gone wrong I want you to add White or Caucasian in the title
The newspapers and media in general has a LOT to answer for

Doesn’t anyone think of 1939 and see any parallels ?

When you hear about it on a daily basis where you live, the detrimental affect on local community only then can you turn round and say there isn't a problem. So whoever said they only hear positive things about illegal immigration is quite frankly talking out if the back of their head. Put their money where their mouth is and invite one into your home with your family. The answer always is well I am only in a 1 bed flat. Our prisons are full we don't need people with no papers, who are criminals coming. Those innocent people murdered and the families lives ruined, tell them what you think.

That is racist the same as black trash would be. Why focus on colour at all ?

rafichagran

Thanks Wyllow, but please let me clarify. I called these men who assaulted and hurt a woman, saying she should not be here. That was racist, said by two white men. That is why I described them as trash. They deserve it. The term was only used to describe them, and its true.

Thats fair enough, they are white trash!

Here we go again "I am not a racist .. but".

Of course, British people never attack or murder anyone do they.

I believe the majority of violent offences and killings are committed by men, so do we deport them as well, or only the black and brown ones?

Thanks Wyllow, but please let me clarify. I called these men who assaulted and hurt a woman, saying she should not be here. That was racist, said by two white men. That is why I described them as trash. They deserve it. The term was only used to describe them, and its true.