The man formerly known as Prince can fall no further....

There is a call for Mandelson to be stripped of his title and removed from the House of Lords.
We shall see.
And as for the nonsense some people are spouting above about Andrew; really?

So like “bring back the death penalty “

That should have happened already eazybee and the fact that it hasn't shows that what some are saying about there being one law for one and another law for others are right, although probably not in the way they'd intended.

eazybee

There is a call for Mandelson to be stripped of his title and removed from the House of Lords.
We shall see.
And as for the nonsense some people are spouting above about Andrew; really?

I haven’t seen that. Is there a suggestion that Mandelson had sex with underage girls now, or what is the crime he is accused of exactly?

ronib

People’s bodies were being offered to Andrew on a plate - why wouldn’t a divorced, over sexed presumably youngish man refuse the offer?

Human decency?

Why would it be suggested that a gay man had sex with underage girls Casdon? He had an ongoing friendship with a convicted paedophile. Even if that was the only thing Andrew was accused of, it would have been enough for him to have lost his public role in the Royal Family.

Did Epstein have a British chauffeur when in England ? Hunt him/her out yes

The problem seems to be that Andrew probably thought sex was mutually enjoyable?

ronib

The problem seems to be that Andrew probably thought sex was mutually enjoyable?

I doubt very much that he gave a hoot whether his sexual partner derived any enjoyment from it.

And I'm not sure about Mandelson - if having dodgy friends is a reason for stripping titles and removal from the House of Lords, then we may say goodbye to a lot of Lords and the House of Lords may be pretty empty.

Smileless2012

That should have happened already eazybee and the fact that it hasn't shows that what some are saying about there being one law for one and another law for others are right, although probably not in the way they'd intended.

Has anyone made a case for Mandelson? These threads move quickly, and there are two very similar ones running, but I don't think I have seen a single post that suggests that he should be protected in any way, or excused because of his status, his personality, his DNA, his childhood experiences or anything else.

Speaking for myself, I would like to see anyone who has been involved in sex offences (and having sex with a trafficked person is a sex offence) prosecuted. No exceptions. I would also like to see Andrew's financial shenanigans investigated and any relevant breaches of law dealt with as they would be if anyone else had committed them.

I am not asking for special treatment of anyone, or for anyone to be exempt, which is the whole point. Andrew is/was a member of the RF, and that should not mean he is above the law. He should not be persecuted because of his status, but nor should he be given droit de siegneur, which he seems to have assumed was an entitlement.

As for the other men involved - yes, they should be prosecuted too, but AFAIK we don't know who they are. Names are 'out there', and much as I would like to see the files made public and for prosecutions to go ahead, so far that's as far as it goes.

I'm not aware that anyone's made a case for Mandelson Doodledog but if my memory serves me correctly, his ongoing friendship with Epstein was being discussed before the publication of VG's book.

Isn't that why he was withdrawn from his position of our Ambassador in America?

There were calls at the time for him to lose his title and be removed from the House of Lords yet nothing has happened.

Smileless2012

Why would it be suggested that a gay man had sex with underage girls Casdon? He had an ongoing friendship with a convicted paedophile. Even if that was the only thing Andrew was accused of, it would have been enough for him to have lost his public role in the Royal Family.

I don’t think somebody can be charged with anything for having a friendship with somebody else, however dubious the other person is Smileless2012, unless there is more to it, which is not in the public arena? Under USA state law you can however be charged for having sex with a minor - that as far as I can see is the difference between the two cases. Unless new evidence comes up to implicate Mandelson, he has nothing to answer.

The name Mountbatten is not without a whiff of the unsavoury. And his wife.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19731909.lord-darkness-disturbing-life-charless-favourite-uncle/#

Of course you can't be charged for having a friendship Casdon, but their friendship was the reason for his dismissal as our Ambassador in America, and calls for his removal from the House of Lords and loss of his title.

As for Andrew, all we know is of his friendship with Epstein; nothing else has been proved or is now likely to be.

ronib

People’s bodies were being offered to Andrew on a plate - why wouldn’t a divorced, over sexed presumably youngish man refuse the offer?

Really? How about just being a decent human being? I'm starting to suspect you're just rage baiting with these posts now...

I’m sorry Smileless2012, but I don’t think that’s going to happen unless it’s proven that there is more to the friendship. His removal as the ambassador was sensible because of his, and Trump’s, links to Epstein but there’s currently nothing to go on to remove him from the House of Lords. If some new incriminating evidence turns up, then we are in a different ball game.

There is though already significant evidence of Andrew having sex with underage girls, we are being drip fed more from the USA on a frequent basis, as well as all the Virginia Guiffre accusations and known emails and photographs - and his payment to her.

It’s comparing chalk and cheese on the basis of what is in the public arena currently.

No not rage baiting ViceVersa. Am beginning to think how easily public opinion is manipulated though. Not allowed to think off piste?

ronib

No not rage baiting ViceVersa. Am beginning to think how easily public opinion is manipulated though. Not allowed to think off piste?

You can think however you want to think - just as anyone else is allowed to express an opinion on those thoughts.

ronib

No not rage baiting ViceVersa. Am beginning to think how easily public opinion is manipulated though. Not allowed to think off piste?

Your mind obviously works differently to most on here, ronib. Most of us are women, mothers and grandmothers.

You say you are a grandmother and have granddaughters 🤔 so would you be happy for your teenage granddaughter to be "offered on a plate" to middle-aged men, one after another? Because men have 'needs' and this is what they do?
😡

This is how Andrew's mind must work, that it's fine to do that to other people's daughters but it never, ever would occur to him and these other men that it could be their own daughter lying there, submissive and scared.

Casdon
There is though already significant evidence of Andrew having sex with underage girls, we are being drip fed more from the USA on a frequent basis, as well as all the Virginia Guiffre accusations and known emails and photographs - and his payment to her

Photographs ?

Oh, fgs, Anniebach!!

Smileless2012

I'm not aware that anyone's made a case for Mandelson Doodledog but if my memory serves me correctly, his ongoing friendship with Epstein was being discussed before the publication of VG's book.

Isn't that why he was withdrawn from his position of our Ambassador in America?

There were calls at the time for him to lose his title and be removed from the House of Lords yet nothing has happened.

Ok, so who are you talking about when you say:
That should have happened already eazybee and the fact that it hasn't shows that what some are saying about there being one law for one and another law for others are right, although probably not in the way they'd intended?

The 'some' makes it difficult to be sure.

Allira

Oh, fgs, Anniebach!!

Unbelievable, isn't it?

And if anyone did have photographs they would be accused of doctoring them, so we are back to the situation where 'proof' is impossible to obtain, but there can be no action without such 'proof'. Which is, of course, what I meant when I said that running things on that basis means that people can do what they like if it is done in private.

I’m feeling a bit queasy about removing WMs military medals.

Is that usual?

Whitewavemark2

I’m feeling a bit queasy about removing WMs military medals.

Is that usual?

Have they? Which ones?

It depends if he earns them himself or they were honorary ones, Whitewave.

They cannot surely remove any medals he earned from his service in the Royal Navy?