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Casdon Wed 12-Nov-25 14:20:44

There are newly released e-mails, which implicate the big beast. Time to watch and wait I think.
edition.cnn.com/2025/11/12/politics/epstein-trump-emails-oversight-committee

Babs03 Thu 13-Nov-25 22:45:39

imaround

You are correct babs. Our constitution deliberately spells out the separation of church and state. The Evangelicals do not agree and are doing their best to force their views on everyone living on the US. Which is literally the reason why the Constitution was written the way it was, to stop this very thing from happening.

They believe in white supremacy, that being any part of the LGBTQ alphabet is a choice, women are to be used as child bearers only and should be considered property.

This explains Hegseth's Burch viewpoint.

www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-to-know-about-the-archconservative-church-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-attends

My, my, my, so here are so called Christians spouting far right religious extremism as spouted similarly by Islamic extremists, also far right on the political spectrum, and saying the same things about the role of women.
I would laugh if it wasn’t so tragic.

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 22:32:18

You are correct babs. Our constitution deliberately spells out the separation of church and state. The Evangelicals do not agree and are doing their best to force their views on everyone living on the US. Which is literally the reason why the Constitution was written the way it was, to stop this very thing from happening.

They believe in white supremacy, that being any part of the LGBTQ alphabet is a choice, women are to be used as child bearers only and should be considered property.

This explains Hegseth's Burch viewpoint.

www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-to-know-about-the-archconservative-church-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-attends

Oreo Thu 13-Nov-25 22:30:57

So Epstein was a mobster as well as Mossad, what a busy other life he seems to have had.
Once one conspiracy theory pops up another one even wilder appears.

Babs03 Thu 13-Nov-25 22:26:50

Well the mafia were not opposed to sex trafficking I’m sure, and here is Epstein behaving like a member of the mob. Just because he had an exclusive clientele doesn’t detract from the fact that he was no better than other criminals working the streets. In many ways he was worse because he could hide in plain sight behind some powerful and influential figures.

Wyllow3 Thu 13-Nov-25 22:21:21

Best to stick to the areas of proven links that are coming out for now, not the wilder theories. Quite enough to be going on with.

I'm just glad in the UK, although there are fringe Evangelical people on the right, we just dont have the same connections politically. It totally shocks some what people who consider themselves kind and Christian holding to hateful vengeful religions theories

........Seems to be more like the Inquisition not modern Christianity...

Oreo Thu 13-Nov-25 22:19:44

A cat’s head?😸 Sure it wasn’t a horse’s head in his bed?

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 22:16:54

"A coterie of intimidating lawyers. A deployment of charm. An aura of invincibility. A five-figure donation to a New York Times reporter's favored nonprofit. A bullet delivering a message. Even, it is alleged, a cat's severed head in the front yard of the editor-in-chief of Vanity Fair.

Such were the tools the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is said to have used to try to soften news coverage and at times stave off journalistic scrutiny altogether."

www.npr.org/2019/08/22/753390385/a-dead-cat-a-lawyers-call-and-a-5-figure-donation-how-media-fell-short-on-epstei

Oreo Thu 13-Nov-25 22:14:37

CariadAgain

foxie48

I have yet to be convinced that Epstein committed suicide, there are issues around his death in 2019 that still need to be answered. Trump was POTUS in 2019, perhaps he thought with Epstein's death the matter would cease to be of public interest? I also wonder if someone like Virginia Guiffre would risk implicating Trump, who is well known for extracting revenge on anyone who crosses him. I think there's still a lot we don't know about Epstein's activities eg where did he get his money from, what links did he have with Russia and Israel, was his procurement of girls and probably boys too, a means of blackmail? There still some issues around VG's death too. No it's not going away, there's still too much to know.

It's coming out now re Epstein's links with Netanyahu et al.

Cue for when I told my Jewish friend that's doing her level best to "fight back" on behalf of the Palestinians about this/shared a link re this - back came a response to the effect of "Yep....this is old news at that....many of us have known for a long time that Epstein and Netanyahu are rather good friends........and there's a good chance Epstein was Mossad".

Oh please!
The conspiracy theories get worse on here.

Babs03 Thu 13-Nov-25 21:33:16

imaround

There will always be a group of Christian Evangelicals who will never turn their backs on what is happening, that is for sure. But these people are not true Christians are they? They do not care about world suffering, they want authority in their homes, communities and politics. These are the people who wrote Project 2025. But those people aren't the reason he won, and those people will never be swayed away from their task.

There is also a steadfast group, like my sister, who may have never have stepped foot in a church and still thinks the Evangelical way of life that Trump has ushered in is acceptable to force on the rest of us. She, of course, probably wont be affected by the harm she voted to use against others until the very end.

The people that will change, and we are seeing is happen, is the true Christians are stepping up and saying, hey this isn't what Jesus preached. We voted for you because of the economy, but we are not OK with all of this. We are also seeing this happen in long term, steadfast Republicans who feel betrayed by the party. These are the people that will force change.

Sadly, their #1 reason for standing up and saying this is not right is the fact that they have been harmed economically by the aftermath of their vote. Let's hope they don't settle back into their old habits in 2028.

So sorry about your sister, unfortunately we don’t choose our relatives.
As for the evangelicals in the US, in the UK have often heard people say that at least people in the US are more religious than us, as if this is a good thing. What they don’t know is that these are not people who are like Church of England attendees having a summer fete to raise money for the church roof, they are involved at a political level and - I could be wrong here - hold far right opinions about gays inasmuch as they believe they should be ‘corrected’ etc., as well as women’s rights - inasmuch as they shouldn’t really have them.
Horrid immoral people.

CariadAgain Thu 13-Nov-25 20:57:10

foxie48

I have yet to be convinced that Epstein committed suicide, there are issues around his death in 2019 that still need to be answered. Trump was POTUS in 2019, perhaps he thought with Epstein's death the matter would cease to be of public interest? I also wonder if someone like Virginia Guiffre would risk implicating Trump, who is well known for extracting revenge on anyone who crosses him. I think there's still a lot we don't know about Epstein's activities eg where did he get his money from, what links did he have with Russia and Israel, was his procurement of girls and probably boys too, a means of blackmail? There still some issues around VG's death too. No it's not going away, there's still too much to know.

It's coming out now re Epstein's links with Netanyahu et al.

Cue for when I told my Jewish friend that's doing her level best to "fight back" on behalf of the Palestinians about this/shared a link re this - back came a response to the effect of "Yep....this is old news at that....many of us have known for a long time that Epstein and Netanyahu are rather good friends........and there's a good chance Epstein was Mossad".

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 20:42:31

There will always be a group of Christian Evangelicals who will never turn their backs on what is happening, that is for sure. But these people are not true Christians are they? They do not care about world suffering, they want authority in their homes, communities and politics. These are the people who wrote Project 2025. But those people aren't the reason he won, and those people will never be swayed away from their task.

There is also a steadfast group, like my sister, who may have never have stepped foot in a church and still thinks the Evangelical way of life that Trump has ushered in is acceptable to force on the rest of us. She, of course, probably wont be affected by the harm she voted to use against others until the very end.

The people that will change, and we are seeing is happen, is the true Christians are stepping up and saying, hey this isn't what Jesus preached. We voted for you because of the economy, but we are not OK with all of this. We are also seeing this happen in long term, steadfast Republicans who feel betrayed by the party. These are the people that will force change.

Sadly, their #1 reason for standing up and saying this is not right is the fact that they have been harmed economically by the aftermath of their vote. Let's hope they don't settle back into their old habits in 2028.

mokryna Thu 13-Nov-25 20:26:26

I don’t know who or what to believe.
I read very recently in The Times, Rina Oh is suing her fellow victim’s estate, accusing her of fabricating stories about their experience in Jeffrey Epstein’s dark world.

Wyllow3 Thu 13-Nov-25 20:12:39

The Evil that the some extremely rich and entitled do: in pursuit of their greed and pleasures,

giving little back, as people starve abroad or suffer in the US itself is not just morally wrong:

but astounds me in terms of those who support and vote for them.

It is quite honestly utterly beyond me how they can live like that, live with themselves

Casdon Thu 13-Nov-25 19:51:54

I’m of the opinion that the exposure of the financial dealings will be quite shocking to the world imaround, and we won’t see these very rich men in the same light at all afterwards.

Wyllow3 Thu 13-Nov-25 19:46:46

Boebart is being amazing. I hope she is able to stand her ground.

As regards divided families, it got pretty difficult here at the time of the Brexit vote - but certainly not in my family.

Sadly, it's inevitable. Trump has raised the stakes so high, his world is one of "you are either with me or evil". So many lies on social media, so many people taken in.

In an earlier post you pointed out how the very poor are suffering, and how eventually it will impact the vote.

But Trump has made it an issue comparable with religious belief -and it is hard for people to give up what is basically a whole belief system. He promised to save them. He portrayed himself as as a Jesus or God like figure.

Admitting you have to "give up hope" of the "Promised Land" - pride, fear, so much goes with it.

..*this is not easily given up*

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 19:23:45

Oh, Clinton is known for being rather, shall we say promiscuous, but as I said in different post, my father had experience helping with transportation when Clinton was in our state and spent a lot of time with the Secret Service. In all of the stories my dad would tell, he never once had any concern that any of the girls were underaged.

Now, Bill Clinton is just as crooked as the rest of them and I am sure was up to his ears in whatever financial dealings Epstein had with Russia. I think both the Clintons will go down before this is over.

One of the things that is being overshadowed with these emails is the financial dealings of this entire crew. We are all focused on the terrible fact that these people were exploiting vulnerable women, and we should because it is horrible. But let's not forget that there is another, bigger, story at hand here in the financial connections and dealings and ties to Russia.

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 19:10:33

Sorry. I didn't realize it had a paywall.

This MSNBC article explains 2017 Thanksgiving. They were at Maralago.

It also gives a pretty good look at Epstein's opinion of Trump. It wasn't good apparently.

It is refreshing to see people in Trump's inner circle acknowledge he is crazy and likely has early dementia. It is validating because to look at him talking now, something is definitely wrong and we are being gaslit.

www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/epstein-files-trump-takeaways-rcna243554

Babs03 Thu 13-Nov-25 19:09:25

imaround

Looks like Clinton was never on Epstein's island, though the Clinton team did report years ago that he had been on the plane itself 4 times after his Presidency. Plenty of emails to and from The Duke, but the address is redacted. I think there is more to come on Randy Andy.

I also didn't realize, the Democrats only released 3 emails yesterday. The Republicans are the ones who released the treasure trove of 20,000.

I did see something that said Epstein spent Thanksgiving 2017 at the White House with Trump, but now I cant find that article again. If so, that is well after he had been convicted as a sex offender in the US and proves (again) that Trump is lying about his relationship with Epstein.

If Clinton was on the plane he must have been going somewhere with Epstein, maybe not the Island but wherever they were going together I doubt it was to play tiddly winks. A bit weird.
Undoubtedly Andrew is in it up to his neck, that doesn’t surprise anyone am sure, despite his protestations about never meeting Guiffre and having a medical condition that means he can’t sweat, things have gone way beyond this.
Hmmm thanksgiving with Trump, I wonder what they were thankful for?
Perhaps Trump was thankful for this opportunity to tell Epstein to keep quiet about his involvement.

KKOB Thu 13-Nov-25 18:58:59

Use www.removepaywall.com/ to get through a paywall.

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 18:46:05

Looks like Clinton was never on Epstein's island, though the Clinton team did report years ago that he had been on the plane itself 4 times after his Presidency. Plenty of emails to and from The Duke, but the address is redacted. I think there is more to come on Randy Andy.

I also didn't realize, the Democrats only released 3 emails yesterday. The Republicans are the ones who released the treasure trove of 20,000.

I did see something that said Epstein spent Thanksgiving 2017 at the White House with Trump, but now I cant find that article again. If so, that is well after he had been convicted as a sex offender in the US and proves (again) that Trump is lying about his relationship with Epstein.

Allira Thu 13-Nov-25 18:23:47

imaround

Oh I knew that. It is the most ridiculous statement that I had ever heard. Which is why watching her descent into MAGA has been so heartbreaking. She knows better than to believe these things. She was always a very reasonable, sensible person until Trump came on the scene.

Sadly, in the end I no longer have much contact with her, or my nephew. I tried for 10 years to keep our relationship separate from Trump, but it got to the point where it was their entire identity. There was no more escaping it.

My nephew is full in with a capital N with his viewpoints, if you know what I mean. My sister and BIL think it is amazing.

Oh dear, I'm sorry.

It's not good when politics divides families - as happened with the Mitfords.

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 18:02:04

I did not have MTG turning on Trump on my 2025 Bingo card, but I hope she follows through. Sorry, American phrase.

I am watching news on Boebart today. They must think she is the weak link to this, in that she can be swayed in her vote, because they keep meeting with her. So far, I do not see any signs of her backing down. Since she is from my state, though not my Rep, I can see first hand the kind of pushback she is getting from some of her voters. She is getting push back from her voters to release the files.

MTG is dead set on releasing it and Mace can not be counted to do anything unless it makes her look good. She will pick which side she thinks is the better offer. So Boebert it is.

This will be career defining for Boebart. If she falls into line, she is going to lose her seat in 2026. If she doesn't, her time until 2026 will be made very difficult by Trumps team and MAGA. She is still at risk of losing her seat in 2026. MAGA is known for sending death threats to Republicans who fall out of line with Trump.

Just ran across this after typing all this up. So far, she is pretty steadfast. This is her chance to do the right thing, even if it takes down a political party or two.

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-supporter-rep-boebert-keeps-130255147.html

Maremia Thu 13-Nov-25 17:41:14

Hold on to your MAGA hats. (Just kidding.)
Marjorie Taylor Greene has said she plans to read out all the names she has gleaned of people who work in their Parliament.
He should have let her go for that job she wanted.

Magenta8 Thu 13-Nov-25 17:18:23

IOMGran

BREAKING: BBC reveals details of ‘out of court settlement offer’ to Donald Trump.

Surely it should be nothing less than a gold Blue Peter badge.
Then he could display it with the rest of the gold that he has naffed up The White House with.

imaround Thu 13-Nov-25 17:07:20

Oh I knew that. It is the most ridiculous statement that I had ever heard. Which is why watching her descent into MAGA has been so heartbreaking. She knows better than to believe these things. She was always a very reasonable, sensible person until Trump came on the scene.

Sadly, in the end I no longer have much contact with her, or my nephew. I tried for 10 years to keep our relationship separate from Trump, but it got to the point where it was their entire identity. There was no more escaping it.

My nephew is full in with a capital N with his viewpoints, if you know what I mean. My sister and BIL think it is amazing.