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Never here Keir?

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RosieandherMaw Fri 14-Nov-25 18:03:28

No longer “two tier Keir” is our PM now “never here Keir” ?
According to today’s Times, some Labour ministers have urged Starmer, who has been nicknamed by some colleagues “never here Keir”, to delegate more to David Lammy and Yvette Cooper, the deputy prime minister and the foreign secretary.
By the end of the month, Starmer will have spent a sixth of his premiership on foreign trips and completed six laps of the earth. Ministers have called for him to “get off the plane” and focus on the UK.
The prime minister has travelled more and further than any other British leader in official history, including almost double the distance that Sir Tony Blair covered in the same period in office .
Starmer has visited 44 countries on 37 trips out of the country to attend conferences, bilateral meetings and sports fixtures. During his first 17 months in office, Starmer has spent two and a half months abroad.
There’s enough going wrong in this country surely to warrant keeping a closer eye on things, a firmer hand on the proverbial tiller?

Oreo Fri 14-Nov-25 20:27:12

He’ll be shed a tear Keir soon if things carry on as they are now.
How can Labour be falling apart at the seams so quickly?!

MayBee70 Fri 14-Nov-25 20:40:07

StripeyGran

FriedGreenTomatoes2

He’s weak. So much for a huge majority if his back benchers don’t back him.

He’s always off abroad isn’t he? Probably relieved as he fastens his seat belt on boarding …

Who would you prefer? Mr Farage?

From what I’ve heard Keir totally ripped into Farage at PMQT but things like that never get any publicity. I don’t think many PM’s have had so many international problems to deal with at any one time, exacerbated by another problem being that the leader of the western world is Trump.

Wyllow3 Fri 14-Nov-25 20:40:32

I'm in the Labour Party and have no problems with a change in leader if it's for the best. I think he's strong on some things especially internationally but not sure he is the best to hold it all together. A number of possibles.

MayBee70 Fri 14-Nov-25 20:44:57

Imo if Labour start swapping leaders they have become as bad as the previous government. People seem to accept party leader musical chairs as being the norm now and it never used to be.

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 20:58:44

StripeyGran

FriedGreenTomatoes2

He’s weak. So much for a huge majority if his back benchers don’t back him.

He’s always off abroad isn’t he? Probably relieved as he fastens his seat belt on boarding …

Who would you prefer? Mr Farage?

What a daft post.

There are alternatives in the Labour Party but perhaps you hadn't noticed - they certainly have with Keir not being here!

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 21:07:01

And you can't even be original RosieandherMaw. You nicked the O/P from GB news, didnt you? took a one click google
Cant you find your own headline?
How unpleasant Wyllow
As RosieandherMaw says, she saw this in a national newspaper.

As has been pointed out, Starmer has been grandstanding around the world but surely that is within the remit of the Foreign Secretary? Why appoint someone then do the job yourself?

You are needed here to oversee everything, Starmer, and in that you are failing.
Do you see yourself taking on the mantle of Global Peace/Environmental Envoy after your tenure as PM?

I'm really disappointed.

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 21:12:54

MayBee70

StripeyGran

FriedGreenTomatoes2

He’s weak. So much for a huge majority if his back benchers don’t back him.

He’s always off abroad isn’t he? Probably relieved as he fastens his seat belt on boarding …

Who would you prefer? Mr Farage?

From what I’ve heard Keir totally ripped into Farage at PMQT but things like that never get any publicity. I don’t think many PM’s have had so many international problems to deal with at any one time, exacerbated by another problem being that the leader of the western world is Trump.

From what I’ve heard Keir totally ripped into Farage at PMQT

Really? I'm astonished!

It meant they were both there, in the House of Commons!!
Not gadding off. 😲

MaizieD Fri 14-Nov-25 21:51:14

Ideally, the sooner that Starmer and Reeves go, the better, and get rid of the Blue Labour tendency. Starmer seems to be completely lacking in vision and Reeves is in hock to 'the markets' and is just perpetuating the same stale economic practices as the tories have done for years. They will not produce any growth and will not reduce inequality.

But Streeting, though he might be a better communicator, would be no better. He would follow the same economic practices which have brought the country to its knees by failing to invest in the public sector, which is in complete disarray.

Having said that, I think Starmer would make an excellent Foreign Secretary.

MayBee70 Fri 14-Nov-25 22:14:26

So who do you think should lead the party?

RosieandherMaw Fri 14-Nov-25 22:20:05

And you can't even be original RosieandherMaw. You nicked the O/P from GB news, didnt you? took a one click google
Cant you find your own headline
I will try in future to write in words of one syllable for those who have difficulty in understanding that I said I was quoting from the Times

(I don't watch GBNews, but clearly you do and you are welcome to it.)

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 22:31:48

I don't watch GBNews, but clearly you do and you are welcome to it.
😂

Great riposte!!

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 22:32:12

MayBee70

So who do you think should lead the party?

Yvette Cooper?

nanna8 Fri 14-Nov-25 22:43:54

The problem is, who else? I am sick of him whining about Farage when the problems are his own. He is almost making people follow someone else the way he goes on.

ronib Fri 14-Nov-25 22:49:21

I think the role has become too complex for any one person and needs to be split into two. Home affairs and foreign/world.
Also I think it’s important to focus more tightly on home problems for the time being. Maybe Yvette Cooper for one or other roles? Just get rid of Reeves.

Allira Fri 14-Nov-25 22:58:58

Home affairs and foreign/world.

That is why we have a Home Secretary and a Foreign Secretary.

RosieandherMaw Fri 14-Nov-25 23:04:23

Allira

^Home affairs and foreign/world.^

That is why we have a Home Secretary and a Foreign Secretary.

Simpleshmm
There's a cabinet - it's not as if it's a one man band!

ronib Fri 14-Nov-25 23:11:55

It feels very one man with Reeves as a sidekick?

loopyloo Fri 14-Nov-25 23:38:10

I think they've done a deal
Wes to take over and a cabinet post for Starmer.
? Foreign secretary

Poppyred Fri 14-Nov-25 23:46:43

They are a pathetic bunch aren’t they. I knew they would be…….

windmill1 Sat 15-Nov-25 04:08:07

Skydancer

I was optimistic about Starmer. A steady, educated lawyer. But he now seems weak and not up to the job.

Indeed, Sir Keir is proving staggeringly weak and he needs to stop grovelling to Donald Trump: but he's like the little spotty kid relegated to the edge of the Big Boys gang who desperately wants to join in - but he'll just be forever despised.

Wyllow3 Sat 15-Nov-25 08:39:33

ronib

It feels very one man with Reeves as a sidekick?

That is the reporting ronib.

Many other leading Cabinet members when interviewed on TV and Radio have a very great deal to say, Streeting, Nandy, Burnham, others on new initiatives in transport etc.

but it is being reported in the right wing media as one person and his sidekick, deliberately, maliciously

Wyllow3 Sat 15-Nov-25 08:41:31

Anyone else note last night that the Telegraph newspaper

only narrowly fought off a take over in ownership by guess what

Yup, a Trump supporting US buyer!

RosieandherMaw Sat 15-Nov-25 08:48:34

Well that was a lucky escape wasn’t it?

Oreo Sat 15-Nov-25 08:49:01

But it failed didn’t it, so your point is?
For those cosily pretending that the BBC’s failure is just a right wing plot, and actually it’s all wonderful take a step backwards and avoid the pit of conspiracy theories so loved on forums.

RosieandherMaw Sat 15-Nov-25 08:53:40

The potential buyers have pulled out so not quite the same thing as narrowly fought off

THE US private equity firm RedBird Capital Partners has pulled out of its bid for control of The Telegraph
A spokesman said: “RedBird has today withdrawn its bid for the Telegraph Media Group
We remain fully confident that The Telegraph and its world-class team have a bright future ahead of them and we will work hard to help secure a solution which is in the best interests of employees and readers
The decision comes with RedBird and its partner IMI, a media company owned by the United Arab Emirates, lined up to face investigations of their plans for The Telegraph by regulators