This is worth a look ....

You are a brave woman posting that Luckygirl13, even though it’s factual!

What sort of world do we live in where posting this has become a brave act? .........

One where many people believe social media hype, rather than evidenced information, sadly. I wish it were not so.

What a briliant short video.

It should be shouted from the rooftops.

Casdon

One where many people believe social media hype, rather than evidenced information, sadly. I wish it were not so.

Sad isn't it .... this is how the Trumps of this world thrive. You wonder what motivates them and what psychopathology drives this.

Ok, full facts as far as possible, as the article is behind a paywall in The Times

"“In an article for The Times, Fraser Nelson argues that data from sources like the Crime Survey for England and Wales and NHS hospital records indicate a significant long-term reduction in many types of offences:

including an approximately 80% decrease in violent crime since the mid-1990s and a near halving of hospital treatments for violent assaults since 2000.

While acknowledging some increases in specific crimes like shoplifting, Nelson contends that t;he overall data contradicts the narrative of Britain being “lawless"

and suggests that public perception of rising crime is influenced by social media, populist politics, and a "declinist religion" rather than the facts”

If GN's look at the video, you'll see the graphs presented as proof.

It is important because it gives the lie to the idea that immigration has sent the crime figures up. If the immigration figures have gone up and violent crime has gone down then Farage hasn't got a leg to stand on ..

Why is it brave? Are you being threatened by the police as happened on the other thread when people tried to talk about crime relating to immigration.

But five minutes ago we were all in an absolute panic about violence against girls in particular, and had to watch adolescence for a full understanding of the situation.

Luckygirl3

It is important because it gives the lie to the idea that immigration has sent the crime figures up. If the immigration figures have gone up and violent crime has gone down then Farage hasn't got a leg to stand on ..

Exactly so.

Galaxy

Why is it brave? Are you being threatened by the police as happened on the other thread when people tried to talk about crime relating to immigration.

I was referring to the politics on Gransnet.

Brave ? Got to be kidding. The lefties far outweigh the righties on this site. I’d say about 3 to 1.

Oh, and just saying. The comparison is with 25 years ago when the Labour Party was well and truly in power. Blair. The war criminal one, remember him ?

The Sunday Times is not a ‘leftie’ publication nanna8. The point was that the article presented is not the line presented on social media, which is believed by many - of all political persuasions.

Fraser Nelson was saying send them to Rwanda not too long ago.

www.google.com/gasearch?q=fraser%20nelson&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e57568d7,vid:0KoU0ikV9Ns,st:0

He was presenting an evidence based summary in this post. Nothing more or less than that.

I get the Times everyday and it is,on the whole, reasonably balanced. Certainly not particularly left leaning. GN is different . Very left leaning. I think the support for Farage isn’t so much him but a feeling that Starmer is very,very poor and people looking more for alternatives. Farage has a big presence, some would say a big mouth but he says what people want to hear. I am not convinced he would be much better but he might. Who knows ?

nanna8, you’re doing a Lucy based on who has posted on this thread I think, but the post is really about listening to what the evidence tells us, rather than believing social media. It’s not a Starmer/Farage issue, it’s much wider than that.
The old saying comes to mind. “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”. That has never been more true than it is at the moment.

What ? No idea what you are on about. Who’s Lucy ? I think we speak a different language.