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The U.K. is prepared for nothing

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David49 Sat 22-Nov-25 12:14:38

Cadenza123

I think that the powers that be are only interested in the short term. How can we give enough sops to the electorate so they will vote us in next time? Most seem to be only interested in self promotion and enrichment. I also think the perpetual quest for growth is ridiculous. The planet and it's resources are finite and we need to recognise it and act accordingly.

We certainly can’t keep up with public spending without growth, in addition we are paying too much in loan interest, as individuals as well as government, that is increasing the wealth gap.

Every time we pay rent, or mortgage or credit card we are paying someone who is already wealthy.

nanna8 Sat 22-Nov-25 12:10:39

A lot seem to be selling shares. Do they know something we don’t ? I have a nasty suspicion about this.

Cadenza123 Sat 22-Nov-25 12:00:52

I think that the powers that be are only interested in the short term. How can we give enough sops to the electorate so they will vote us in next time? Most seem to be only interested in self promotion and enrichment. I also think the perpetual quest for growth is ridiculous. The planet and it's resources are finite and we need to recognise it and act accordingly.

fancythat Sat 22-Nov-25 11:59:19

medical experts getting it so wrong

That was one of the worst aspects.

fancythat Sat 22-Nov-25 11:58:17

Some people are saying there will be a financial crash.

I dont know for sure.

But will it be again a case of "hindsight is a wonderful thing"?

fancythat Sat 22-Nov-25 11:57:15

Someone somewhere on another thread about covid I think said, "hidhsight is a wonderful thing".

Well yes.

But foresight is what we need.

The word seems to have all but gone out of fashion!

Even I , and many of my friends, could see the covid disater coming a mile off. Even has long as two months before Boris acted.
Even him being a buffoon, where was all his advisors?
Or did they advise and he did nothing?

CariadAgain Sat 22-Nov-25 11:55:48

I agree on that one - ie we shouldnt automatically assume we are the best. So often I see some idea another country has come up with and think "Why don't they send a person/people over there to study that and see how well it would work for us?". We should look for the best of the best - and then copy them (assuming what it is will work in our society too). No just assuming "We're it - because we're Britain". Sometimes we are - but then again sometimes we're not....

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Nov-25 11:52:01

I am not being party political - what I mean is that government/parliament/military/civil service etc are all too complacent.

There is a ridiculous opinion - as there was during covid - that the U.K. is the best. Whereas in fact we were far from it and should learn from this feeling of superiority.

eazybee Sat 22-Nov-25 11:34:17

'Strategic Planning,' lack of, is held responsible for the broken NHS.
[I would say my own experience and that of various friends is different; appointment with doctor, swift referral and prompt action.]
The fault apparently for our unpreparedness is the lack of expertise and criticism, both by the opposition and media.

And the present government?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Nov-25 11:29:24

I’m not pessimistic tbh, but I do think that the U.K. should be much more prepared than it currently is, particularly after listening to the covid report.

It is clear that having a buffoon as PM, a government who appeared to understand nothing except how to profit from the disaster, amateurish civil service and even medical experts getting it so wrong, that we need a total rethink about the way we approach threats to the U.K. in all its forms.

CariadAgain Sat 22-Nov-25 11:29:19

I think America is a bigger threat than Russia. It was years back now that I read the rollcall of just how many wars America starts or backs - it was a long list....and they certainly seem to be "prime suspect" for creating trouble in the Middle East for sure.

They use us too as their "aircraft carrier" - remembering how we had to get rid of their Cruise missiles off our soil and we've still got some of their military bases here.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Nov-25 11:24:37

This is such a dangerous time

Climate
Russia
AI
The rise of Fascism
Future epidemics

CariadAgain Sat 22-Nov-25 11:22:39

You are very right about the lack of expertise and criticism.

One of the lessons I've learnt as I got older was that a very high percentage of people aren't "truth seekers". What they do is look for the most popular opinion about something - and say that it's theirs too. Part of the "route to the top" in our society and America too certainly is to find out what the popular opinion on something is/who has the sharpest elbows to elbow their way to the top and say "Yep I agree with them".

Cue for it's often not the most expert people/the most objective people/certainly not the most responsible and nice people and that want to make a difference that "get to the top" and most peoples basic concern once they get there is to listen to those they perceive as in charge and the lobbyists etc and try and make their own personal fortunes foremost in their mind. Not seeking to do a good objective job of things and be remembered as a genuinely good person.

Yep....I'd long gathered that supermarkets do indeed work on only having in 3 days worth of stocks - all those "just in time" deliveries. That's why there was stock problems in Lockdown - ie because of not that much in stock combined with some people knowing there's not much in stock and grabbing for loads so they personally were okay.

That's why I do my tiny little bit of growing some food in my garden myself and doing what little bit of encouraging local food initiatives I can. Because I believe we need this...

Allira Sat 22-Nov-25 11:17:57

We used to be.
This is something that has annoyed DH for many years, the fact that we have no 'planned maintenance' so that that infrastructure etc is allowed to get into a poor state before a cheap fix and that there seems to be no Government disaster plan or co-ordinstion ready to action.

Septimia no, I haven't heard it, it sounds interesting but that sounds about right.

I'm usually a cup half full person but am becoming more pessimistic the more I read and hear. ☹

Septimia Sat 22-Nov-25 11:06:42

Have you heard James Rebanks talking to Amol Rajan on Radical (Radio 4)?

Farming has real problems, the subsidies are all wrong according to Rebanks (who sounded very sensible), we don't grow enough food and the supermarkets only have a couple of days' reserves.

If disaster does strike we'll probably all starve to death.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Nov-25 10:49:52

Listening to the covid report, I think it has become patently obvious that the U.K. is not prepared for another pandemic, but neither are we prepared for war or AI.

We are far too slow to respond, largely I think is the lack of expertise and criticism, both by the opposition and media.

Complacency is a real issue, with big statements not being followed through with actual action.

We can no longer muddle through if disaster happens - disaster will take no prisoners.