The Budget

Overall isn’t a justification for these generalisations.

A generalisation about what our children’s generation see is unverifiable. It may apply to the children that you know, but other children’s experiences of their own childhood will affect what they see.

I am really sorry but I don't appear to be making myself plain. Please don't feel you have to answer and I'm happy for your fortunate upbringing.

However, the point of the question (oh so long ago ) was the comparison of our parents lives to our lives. The fact is that our children's generation looks back and sees progress in the last two or three generations they simply don't see in theirs. Individuals will have a varied experience but overall this is true.

DaisyAnneReturns I had an extremely fortunate upbringing despite my parents being divorced.

They were both publicans and restauranteurs, one here and one eventually abroad.

They believed my sister and I should make our own way in the world. which we did.

No inheritance until recently.

Really. I'd never have guessed I'm afraid GrannyGravy13

I asked "Do you think you had less than your parents", which, for our generation would not usually be the case. I expected the majority of GNs to have had a very different life; one much easier than their parents.

You kindly answered but about your five children rather than your experience in relationship to your parents experience. I must admit I was puzzled but thank you for explaining which question it was.

Perhaps Rachel Reeves is amassing a war chest so she can have give-aways just before the next GE? 🤔

DaisyAnneReturns

Which question was that GrannyGravy13?

Not all children have had less than their parents, equally not all children have had, will have had more than their parents.

Do you think you had less than your parents Oreo

DaisyAnneReturns 16.36.52 Thursday 27/11

Which question was that GrannyGravy13?

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnneReturns we have five children, four out of five definitely have more than us at comparable ages.

The fifth will by the end of 2026.

It isn’t really about individual people when discussing politics. The broader issue, raised by governments and generations of voters alike, is how and where the current generation is better or worse off than those that came before it. In the areas I mentioned, the evidence suggests they are not better off.

The comparison is always made with the previous, older generation. There is an expectation that progress should improve conditions from one generation to the next—or at least that used to be the assumption.

I know that DaisyAnneReturns 🤦‍♀️

I was responding to a question you asked Oreo upthread, why ask a the question, if you didn’t want an answer?

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnneReturns we have five children, four out of five definitely have more than us at comparable ages.

The fifth will by the end of 2026.

It isn’t really about individual people when discussing politics. The broader issue, raised by governments and generations of voters alike, is how and where the current generation is better or worse off than those that came before it. In the areas I mentioned, the evidence suggests they are not better off.

The comparison is always made with the previous, older generation. There is an expectation that progress should improve conditions from one generation to the next—or at least that used to be the assumption.

What a way to ruin/run a country!! Beyond belief?

Primrose53

Rachel Reeves accused of lying re budget

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2139926/rachel-reeves-OBR-timeline-lies#

There is evidence the Chancellor’s portrayal of the finances was at odds with the OBR’s internal view. Whether that makes it a lie - a very extreme accusation from a parliamentary point of view - depends on when exactly the Chancellor knew what, and whether she believed the OBR estimates. Given how uncertain macro-economic forecasting is, one might argue she acted in good faith.

Calling someone a liar in parliament is rare, and can be considered unparliamentary, so it may be that Badenoch feels very threatened from her own side and has decided to take a very big risk.

and governments plan accordingly therein lies the problem DaisyAnneReturns successive governments haven’t done this for a while, only going for short term planning, i.e. vote chasing strategy 🤷‍♀️

We know.

It’s worth remembering that governments don’t make decisions at the level of individual experiences. They respond to patterns they see across generations. Personal impressions don’t always match the broader picture and while older people may feel like a large, stable group, demographic trends can shift their proportion and needs, and governments plan accordingly.

Primrose53

Rachel Reeves accused of lying re budget

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2139926/rachel-reeves-OBR-timeline-lies#

Blimey!

Rachel Reeves accused of lying re budget

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2139926/rachel-reeves-OBR-timeline-lies#

Mollygo

Oreo
Your last paragraph sums up part of the problem.

Incidentally, we did rent 3 upstairs rooms in a house (shared front door) for quite a few years whilst we saved up the deposit. Renting a flat or house was out of the question.

Which was the 'last paragraph' which 'sums iup part of the problem,'?

Was it this?

We had far far less than young parents today have and yet they think themselves hard done by!

Because that is exactly the attitude that is saddening me.

Mollygo

The problem on here seems to be that some think only they understand about the difficulties faced by the young, or not so young today.
Many of us, understand only too well as we watch our children and grandchildren struggling to find jobs, housing etc. especially if we’re not ourselves in a position to help them.
On the other hand, some young and even older people don’t understand the problems faced by their parents or grandparents. Or even worse, they dismiss them as nothing like we’re faced with today.
It would be easy to say that those comments come from the people who didn’t struggle and consequently didn’t understand how hard it was back then either.

Strange, isn't it that they - presumably meaning us, Mollygo seem to be unable to understand what it is like to struggle when we have not only grown up with it, experienced it ourselves and can see others struggling now.

The truth is that not everyone struggled many years ago; many of my frfiends growing up lived in large, detached homes at the 'posh' end of town and went on foreign school trips.
Some of us did struggle when our children were young and know exactly what it feels like; however, not all did.

Now we can see that some people are struggling and others are not - even in our own families and are glad they receive more help now than we did.

Those who lived the reality are seemingly dismissed by those who did not live it.

Strange.

I think I need to disagree with you Casdon because if a society is overwhelmed by deprivation, that’s no benefit to anyone. It’s better imo if a good section of the population is sufficiently educated and self sufficient to enable benefits and support for the less fortunate. The less fortunate will always be with us? Someone needs to help them?

ronib

But surely the whole of society benefits from the support some grandparents give their children and grandchildren? And there are many tiers of support not only financial?
I remember the phrase- it takes a whole village to rear a child. The best inheritance to pass on is a resilient, creative and valued child? Not necessarily the child who will inherit vast inheritance?

That wasn’t my point ronib. Of course parental economic support and the advantages it brings benefits the children of those of us who can help them. The fact that there is a growing differential between them and the average does not help the average, it just exacerbates the mountain the disadvantaged have to climb.

The problem on here seems to be that some think only they understand about the difficulties faced by the young, or not so young today.
Many of us, understand only too well as we watch our children and grandchildren struggling to find jobs, housing etc. especially if we’re not ourselves in a position to help them.
On the other hand, some young and even older people don’t understand the problems faced by their parents or grandparents. Or even worse, they dismiss them as nothing like we’re faced with today.
It would be easy to say that those comments come from the people who didn’t struggle and consequently didn’t understand how hard it was back then either.

DaisyAnneReturns

^I'm not talking about when I was a child. I'm talking about when my children were young.^ (Allira)

This is not the relevant dichotomy Allira. The Boomer Generation (born 1946-1964) had:

A rapid growing economy
Affordable housing
Free Univerity Tuition
Often no need for degree to get a "middle-class" job
A generous and expanding welfare state
Strong Unions and secure jobs
Cheap cost of living compared to wages
Part of a large generation just when they were needed
Social mobility

Our parents grew up during the Depression and WWII; we enjoyed the peace, prosperity, and social reforms that came afterward.

Our lives over the generation (generally, not personally) were a vast improvement on our parents. Our children's lives (generally not personally) were the start of going backwards. Our grandchildren (generally not personally) are continuing in that direction.

Well said, DaisyAnne 👏👏👏

But they do love their 'Four Yorkshireman' stories 😕

I'm always saddened by the fact that they don't seem able to understand that younger people might be suffering hardship, too. Just in a different way.

Only 7 percent of young people went to university. I would argue that social immobility was more rigidly enforced as the top jobs were given to university graduates then.
Arguably the top graduates now are leaving the Uk in search of tax free millions abroad. So the expectation of wealth has changed. One to two million is small fry.

I'm not talking about when I was a child. I'm talking about when my children were young. (Allira)

This is not the relevant dichotomy Allira. The Boomer Generation (born 1946-1964) had:

A rapid growing economy
Affordable housing
Free Univerity Tuition
Often no need for degree to get a "middle-class" job
A generous and expanding welfare state
Strong Unions and secure jobs
Cheap cost of living compared to wages
Part of a large generation just when they were needed
Social mobility

Our parents grew up during the Depression and WWII; we enjoyed the peace, prosperity, and social reforms that came afterward.

Our lives over the generation (generally, not personally) were a vast improvement on our parents. Our children's lives (generally not personally) were the start of going backwards. Our grandchildren (generally not personally) are continuing in that direction.