Reeves 'economical' over her Budget?

He was never a leader imo. He’s not a team player. To me he’s the sort of politician that we need as a voice of reason on the back benches. He was even a closet brexiter. Margaret Beckett said she regretted putting his name forward as a candidate. The poor in this country don’t want to blame the rich for inequality…they want to blame immigrants. That’s why Reform are so popular. He lost two elections, not just one. I agree that he was up against a biased media ( I even lost my temper in a garage once when I walked in to pay and saw the anti Corbyn headline in one of the tabloids; had to apologise to the cashier for my outburst) and he was far better than Johnson in the televised debate ( of course the media typically said Johnson was better). But the electorate don’t seem to want socialism in any shape or form I’m afraid.

MayBee70

The current Labour party are imo a direct result of mistakenly voting to make Corbyn leader. Because the very people that need a socialist government are the ones voting Reform ( and, prior to that for brexit). Make of that what you will because I can’t .

How do you work that out, MayBee?

Corbyn is nothing if not socialist. Produced a perfectly reasonable manifesto in 2019 (and scared the 'establishment' silly by nearly winning in 2017) and the current government isn't really socialist at all.

Corbyn's weakness is that he's not a leader. Sadly, Starmer isn't showing much sign of being one, either.

Oreo

Ed Davies, was changed to a D by gremlins.

I presume you mean Ed Davey!

The current Labour party are imo a direct result of mistakenly voting to make Corbyn leader. Because the very people that need a socialist government are the ones voting Reform ( and, prior to that for brexit). Make of that what you will because I can’t .

Oreo

Am now imagining, with horror, a pact between Polanski, D Davies and Corbyn and Sultana.
Australia is looking good to me nanna8 with the Animal Justice lot in charge.🙈

I’d take the lot of them over Reform, the tories and the current manifestation of Labour.

Ed Davies, was changed to a D by gremlins.

Am now imagining, with horror, a pact between Polanski, D Davies and Corbyn and Sultana.
Australia is looking good to me nanna8 with the Animal Justice lot in charge.🙈

😂Monica
The country would be in an even worse state with Polanski at the helm.

MaizieD

nanna8

When we lived in the UK we were rusted on Labour voters but I have to say I would never vote for the current mob now. What are the alternatives? Farage is a scary proposition. It is similar here - the government I voted for are b.awful and getting worse by the day but we have no alternatives. The Animal Justice Party is looking good ( truly!)

My money is on the Greens. Polanski is the only party leader who appears to understand how a national economy works.

No he doesn't. The man lives in a cloud cuckoo land of fond expectations.

nanna8

When we lived in the UK we were rusted on Labour voters but I have to say I would never vote for the current mob now. What are the alternatives? Farage is a scary proposition. It is similar here - the government I voted for are b.awful and getting worse by the day but we have no alternatives. The Animal Justice Party is looking good ( truly!)

My money is on the Greens. Polanski is the only party leader who appears to understand how a national economy works.

When we lived in the UK we were rusted on Labour voters but I have to say I would never vote for the current mob now. What are the alternatives? Farage is a scary proposition. It is similar here - the government I voted for are b.awful and getting worse by the day but we have no alternatives. The Animal Justice Party is looking good ( truly!)

Congratulations M0nica! My truths include singing with Pavarotti, and dancing in the corps de ballet in Swan Lake.

Well, as we all know these days, there is no such thing as the truth, just our own personal truths so RR may well have been a chess champion, and all the other things she claims. They are all her truths and we must respect them.

My truths include winning a Best Actress Oscar, an Olympic Gold Medal in swimming and winning the Nobel Peace prie, although I did have to share it with Donald Trump.

RR is all lies, “mistakes” and “errors”.

Latest one is about her being junior chess champion. The real champion has come forward. 🤣

Sometimes people’s favourable belief in a party or politician can put a spin on the facts.

Well yes but I fail to see how expecting the facts to be presented truthfully with all relevant information can be interpreted as "putting a spin on" because of favoured beliefs in a party or politician.

I have deliberately not mentioned my own politics in this discussion as those are completely irrelevant to my expectation that the facts will be presented truthfully and accurately by a Chancellor with regard to gge financial budget and the reasons why budget decisions have been made.

It appears that some posters may be making assumptions about my politics and I suspect they may well be incorrect assumptions but so be it.

...that was meant to "Hey ho"! 🤣

DaisyAnneReturns

You have lost me Madgran and I've just had a phone call and need to go out. I will try and get back yo it later.

You have rather lost me too! Why ho! 😏

DAR
It doesn’t matter about bias, as we all have it including yourself.
I have looked at the facts and found Starmer and Reeves wanting, as have many people including those who voted for them.
How anyone thought Reeves was a good Chancellor amazes me.
I didn’t think Starmer was going to set the world on fire but thought in a steady boring way he would be a good pair of hands.How wrong I was.

Madgran👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Madgran77

*It’s worth taking a step back sometimes to ask, ‘Am I reacting to the evidence, or to my expectations about this party or politician?’”*

Well I do agree with that. And it is important to not ignore the facts when making a statement either on GN or in "real life"!

I agree with that too, but would add belief in this party or politician to the expectations section. Sometimes people’s favourable belief in a party or politician can put a spin on the facts.

Another good post Madgran .

You have lost me Madgran and I've just had a phone call and need to go out. I will try and get back yo it later.

Does "... it is important to not ignore the facts when making a statement" agree with "It’s worth taking a step back sometimes to ask, ‘Am I reacting to the evidence, or to my expectations about this party or politician?’”

Nice of you to say you are agreeing but I think that is a separate statement.

. DaisyAnneReturns I am genuinely interested in what "personal bias" you found in my original comment.

DaisyAnneReturns Your post suggests you wanted the budget presented differently but that doesn't lead to the conclusion that we were "misled". To use your word, "patently" we were not as debate will bring out all views and, as yet, debate is not banned in this country

It's not about presenting "differently", its about presenting truthfully/accurately. And as we were not given the accurate facts about the budget "hole" and the reasons why tax rises were still needed then we were mis-led on the actuality of the position. My only interest in how the budget is presented is that it is factual and presenting the facts!

And regarding debate, well that should be based on accurate facts - and if the OBR had not published the facts of what RR was aware of when in relation to the black hole, then any debate would have been based on incorrect knowledge of the actual facts. Including for most of her Cabinet colleagues!

Clearly your view is that my view is based on bias but I fail to see what I am supposed to be biased towards apart from truthfulness and facts being used and presented accurately. And the Chancellor has the overall responsibility to make sure that that is fine with regard to the financial reality that is used as a basis for creating a budget!

It’s worth taking a step back sometimes to ask, ‘Am I reacting to the evidence, or to my expectations about this party or politician?’”

Well I do agree with that. And it is important to not ignore the facts when making a statement either on GN or in "real life"!