Should men be banned from working in nurseries?

A big fat YES from me!
employed just to fit the new 'woke' way of everything! Those poor small children/babies at the mercy of paedophiles!

LOUISA1523

David49

Personally I think its very strange that a man would want to work in a nursery, in any case women have abused children as well, I’m surprised that workers are allowed to change a nappy unsupervised.
Yes, it’s going to cost more but how much supervision is needed.

Personally I think its strange that you have such an opinion 🤔....so what do you base that on?

Because babies are helpless an adult can protest and resist and is a witness, career, nurses and doctors are working in a supervised environment, even so having a chaperone is routine

So are you saying that helpless babies don’t deserve a chaperone.

No.

LOUISA1523

David49

Personally I think its very strange that a man would want to work in a nursery, in any case women have abused children as well, I’m surprised that workers are allowed to change a nappy unsupervised.
Yes, it’s going to cost more but how much supervision is needed.

Personally I think its strange that you have such an opinion 🤔....so what do you base that on?

LOUISA1523

Personally it's very strange that you think an opinion different from yours is strange! .

the thousands of male doctors nurses paediatricians ect would not have been working in day nurseries in the local towns ! they would all have more intelligence

This latest man was 45 and had worked in the nursery for 7 years. So 38 when he was taken on.
What 38 year old man wants to work in a nursery changing babies nappies?
Red flag there immediately.
What man of any age for that matter.
It’s a low status, predominantly female ( probably often quite boring ) job.
So what’s the attraction for a man?

Is it any wonder why young men are having a crisis of confidence?

There is no reason why men shouldn’t be in a caring role. This current man in the headlines is a vile individual. Are we now saying that because one man is evil all men are?

Rather them be kind and nurturing then look to the likes of The Tate Brothers for role models.

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www.norland.ac.uk/i-have-surprised-myself-and-achieved-more-than-i-thought-i-would-kias-story/

Norland Nannies train boys too.

One or two a year, perhaps.
Norland is a business, 17,000£ a year, plus £1,000 for uniform, weeding out the career minded from the predatory opportunists (one would hope)

If you think money and cost (or organised planning) is any kind of barrier or deterrent to child predators, dream on. Take a look at Epstein's clientele. Child porn is a massive business.

Are we now saying that because one man is evil all men are?

Is this comment for real?

You think he’s the only one who has sexually abused children In nurseries?

GrannyGravy13

Is it any wonder why young men are having a crisis of confidence?

There is no reason why men shouldn’t be in a caring role. This current man in the headlines is a vile individual. Are we now saying that because one man is evil all men are?

Rather them be kind and nurturing then look to the likes of The Tate Brothers for role models.

Yes - this.

I don't think all men should be banned. You cannot tar them all with the same brush. However, far more stringent checks need doing before employing people to work in jobs where there is such close and intimate contact with children. Don't forget Vanessa George, who enabled a paedophile ring to view obscene images of children she was abusing at the nursey where she worked.

You have nailed it GG13.
Thanks Mollygo, that was the female abuser name I was trying to remember.

Kandinsky

*Are we now saying that because one man is evil all men are?*

Is this comment for real?

You think he’s the only one who has sexually abused children In nurseries?

Are you aware that women have been prosecuted for abusing babies and toddlers in nursery?

Should all women be banned because of them?

Hey what about just closing all nurseries🤦‍♀️

The percentage of child sex abuse perpetrators is between 95 - 99% male. You are raising the risk. There may very well be good reasons to do that, but we need to be clear about that.

We appointed a male teacher when our school opened a nursery. He was a wonderful teacher.
Intimate care in our setting involved two people.

Galaxy

The percentage of child sex abuse perpetrators is between 95 - 99% male. You are raising the risk. There may very well be good reasons to do that, but we need to be clear about that.

Most children that are abused are abused by someone they know.

The vast majority of children abused are girls and in the older age group.

So before we get carried away about nurseries, it is important to be clear about the statistics and the different level of risk to specific age groups and sex.

I would like to see more men in childcare and junior schools.

In the "old days" they weren't allowed to train for the preschool years.

I would rather not have had children than leave them in a nursery. Never felt any different. ..Only baby sitters mother and mother in law..How people leave tiny babies I cant understand.
Anyone that did what that evil man did, doesn't deserve to live.

I know two men, David49 who have worked in early years.

And one who was rejected in the 1970s (I think 70s) because he was a man.

I think your view of men and children is quiye odd actually.
It's almost certainly a pay thing!

Gardenersdelight2

I think that because its still rare to have men working in nursery's theses cases get way more publicity than when a female is prosecuted
Banning unfortunately just moves a problem elsewhere
Re the intimate care aspect I was a nurse and now a support worker and have worked alongside many men in caring roles and never seen any issues

So statistically, it would seem that a higher proportion of male nursery workers abuse children as so few become nursery workers.

Women nursery workers abuse babies and toddlers too but because so many are employed in child care, the statistics are much lower for women abusers.

This case was so sickening and demonstrates that more supervision and the use of CCTV is required.

However, many nurseries are struggling because of higher wages, NI and running costs.

None of those things alter the risk in nurseries though WW if you see what I mean. So the fact that most abuse happens elsewhere doesn't impact the increase in risk in nurseries if men are present. As I say I am unsure what I feel about this, mainly because of the precedent it might set.

Teachers don't do personal care and are almost never alone with a child.
I don't think men should be doing personal care for small children esp pre verbal.
We don't actually know how prevalent such abuse is.
The latest case came to light almost by chance. One worker raised questions about the perp taking pictures of children eating.

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

The percentage of child sex abuse perpetrators is between 95 - 99% male. You are raising the risk. There may very well be good reasons to do that, but we need to be clear about that.

Most children that are abused are abused by someone they know.

The vast majority of children abused are girls and in the older age group.

So before we get carried away about nurseries, it is important to be clear about the statistics and the different level of risk to specific age groups and sex.

Just looking at statistics alone for nursery workers, as I pointed out, because the number of male nursery workers is tiny in comparison to that of female nursery workers, the proportion of abusers would be statistically higher.

The statistics I am giving are male versus female perpetrators in general, in terms of the risk by sex if the perpetrator. It usnt based on who is working in nurseries it is based on the general population.

What is needed is a more robust screening procedure. (As suggested upthread.)
Also, again upthread, better and more supervised 'intimate care' protocols.