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PMQs and the alignment of parties after the Budget.

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DaisyAnneReturns Fri 05-Dec-25 09:23:18

eazybee

I would say the electorate is split between those who feel so proud of helping 'The Poor' and rescuing the young from 'child poverty', and those who know something of the benefit system and despise the workshy.

Many on benefits are pensioners and many of those were women. Are you suggesting a 90 year old women is workshy.

58% of benefits go to pensioners. Many on benefits are working. I haven't got time to find the stats for you so the prejudiced can go on believing they are hard done by but I'm not sure where that gets anyone - other than a slight feeling of superiority.

love0c Fri 05-Dec-25 08:22:04

Not you Galaxy! It is always the same posters on the politics threads.

Galaxy Fri 05-Dec-25 08:07:46

Who are you talking about love0c

love0c Fri 05-Dec-25 07:57:55

Some deluded posters on here!

Galaxy Fri 05-Dec-25 07:49:13

There is also another group who understands that children who don't experience a working parent will not have the life chances that other children have.

eazybee Fri 05-Dec-25 07:10:46

I would say the electorate is split between those who feel so proud of helping 'The Poor' and rescuing the young from 'child poverty', and those who know something of the benefit system and despise the workshy.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 04-Dec-25 23:22:05

Although we are not hearing the Labour Party saying what they have achieved it doesn't mean it hasn't been said. We have an almost totally biased MSM. In answer to one of the Leader of the Opposition's questions the Prime Minister answered:

"Under this Chancellor, Mr Speaker, growth is up this year, defeating and beating the forecast. Wages are up more since the General Election than in ten years of the Tories. We've had, I think, five interest rate cuts. NHS waiting lists are down. We've had record investment into this country. We're turning the page on their austerity and reckless experiments on borrowing. I'll compare our record to them every day of the week.

Is this on the front pages. I would guess not.

Oreo Thu 04-Dec-25 21:24:47

Stop alienating farmers and businesses.

Oreo Thu 04-Dec-25 21:24:07

Start producing good policies more likely.

Elegran Thu 04-Dec-25 21:21:57

Start shouting?

Oreo Thu 04-Dec-25 20:26:09

Labour are sinking in the polls, really badly.I have no idea what they can now do to change their fortunes around.

Jane43 Thu 04-Dec-25 19:07:37

Elegran

The labour party need to shout more loudly about what they HAVE achieved, or the right will drown them out.

Indeed, 57 out of 83 promises have been delivered, are on track or are in progress.

MayBee70 Thu 04-Dec-25 18:59:42

Elegran

The labour party need to shout more loudly about what they HAVE achieved, or the right will drown them out.

Whatever they do will be drowned out by the mainly right wing press. And Sky News aren’t much better these days ( I keep having to turn them off).

GrannyGravy13 Thu 04-Dec-25 18:48:26

Labours comms team is sadly lacking.

Even their Ministers rolled out each day for the morning news slots often look
like rabbits caught in headlights
Usually having to answer questions far from their intended brief 🤷‍♀️

LemonJam Thu 04-Dec-25 18:36:53

Elegran Thu 04-Dec-25 16:59:27
"The labour party need to shout more loudly about what they HAVE achieved, or the right will drown them out".

Agreed 👍. The right wing dominated media will not do this for sure.

LizzieDrip Thu 04-Dec-25 17:20:02

Elegran

The labour party need to shout more loudly about what they HAVE achieved, or the right will drown them out.

Agreed👍

Sadly, we now live in a world where those who shout the loudest get heard - even if what they are shouting is absolute bilge.

Labour will have to start shouting about the many good things they’ve done; the media certainly won’t speak about it - they only indulge in Labour bashing!

silverlining48 Thu 04-Dec-25 17:00:49

Absolutely, 👍

Elegran Thu 04-Dec-25 16:59:27

The labour party need to shout more loudly about what they HAVE achieved, or the right will drown them out.

silverlining48 Thu 04-Dec-25 16:52:46

Posted too soon, for even younger children to get paid care.

silverlining48 Thu 04-Dec-25 16:50:42

Ilovecheese, you say you wish Labour had cared more about child poverty last year when elected, but one of the first things Labour did was announce free school dinners fir all children and extra money for even younger children.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 04-Dec-25 16:44:22

With the economy they inherited and a majority in favour of the cap, while a majority were also in favour of protecting children against poverty and food insecurity, even if they could, under systems markets would accept, find the money, you still have to deal with the cognitive dissonance Ilovecheese and the far right press. Sadly, I think their timing was right if you want to sustain the fight against poverty.

Ilovecheese Thu 04-Dec-25 13:32:27

While I am glad that Starmer apparently cares about child poverty now, I wish he had cared as soon as he won the election.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 04-Dec-25 12:00:50

We are very much seeing the alignment of MPs after the budget. Starmer opened up PMQs with a statement that the government were issuing new guidance which could cut the cost of baby formula saying parents should save up to £500 a year. I can only agree with Phil Moorhouse that "one of the most visible signs of the desperate poverty we've seen in Britain these past few years is security tags on baby formula in supermarkets."

Back to the Budget and the alignment of MPs. The main themes have been tackling poverty for the left and complaints about expensive "handouts" from the right. The budget boosted the incomes of those struggling the most with the cost of living with particular focus on children via the removal of the two child cap on Universal Credit. On the other hand, the right-wing has attacked the budget as giving handouts to the idle whilst charging hard working people for it. We can see the latter has been picked up by the MSM, read by far-right followers and poured over the pages of Gransnet.

This balance was how PMQs continued. Several Labour MPs asked about the government's moves on poverty, while several of the Tory questions asked why we should even care about poverty. Again, a balance reflected on Gransnet.

After a seated snipe from the Opposition Leader Starmer listed that:

Growth is up this year defeating and beating the forecast.
Wages are up more since the General Election than in 10 years of the Tories.
We've had five interest rate cuts.
NHS waiting lists are down.
We've had record investment into this country.

Badenocks latest reason why Reeves should resign was put forward (oh how they must fear her) and easily dismissed. She then set her aim on the two child cap. She must have thought it was an easy win. The cap has shown to be popular with a majority of voters at this time. But she seems to forget is that child poverty itself, is not popular. The right do try to categorise those on benefit as scroungers, but many work, earning their poverty, or are retired pensioners. The rest are trying to find work. What do these people expect children to do? Starmer's reply was that half a million children had been lifted out of poverty. And that was the answer to all three of her questions on this.

So, this is where the parties are after the budget has had a few days to be considered.