War with Russia and America

Gorky has been around in the background for years. I remember him extolling the virtues of Brexit - doing Russias work for them. I reckon he thinks his time has come.

Maremia

Trump is also intending to draw four nations away from the EU.
We could make a guess at which ones.
I would suggest Hungary, if Orban is still in charge.

It’s interesting that Trump’s Deputy Assistant on National Security is Sebastian Gorka, a Hungarian who is now a naturalized American. He is a most aggressive and obnoxious man who has been rude to the two BBC presenters I saw interview him recently, Victoria Derbyshire and Vicky Young who both managed to maintain their composure and civility despite his aggressive and patronizing tone. Gorka has strong anti Islamic views and has links to far right Hungarian groups with Nazi ties. The people Trump surrounds himself with are truly frightening.

He should be tried for war crimes and treason and sentenced appropriately. We can take care of that here in the US though, if other countries are opposed to that. He likes that outcome for others, son what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not nearly as dreadful as him openly ordering and celebrating the murders of the people on those boats. No evidence of a crime, no trials. Just murder.

It is a dreadful thing to say.

I know. But there it is.

Wishing for the assassination of an elected POTUS, Oh dear…

I always remember two comments from when I was in a multilateral disarmament group years ago. To have no nuclear weapons is like going into negotiations naked and if you want peace prepare for war. What I don’t understand is people like Kuchner ( sp) and Trumps golfing buddy being the negotiators when so much is at stake. From what I’ve read during his first presidency Trumps SIL spent most of his time making a fortune out of trade deals that he slipped into everything he was doing.

Oh look the good guys are wishing death on someone. Could you maybe not do this on a platform that I value.

Well, 2 people have already tried.

The President is one of the most guarded people in the world, no one is going to be able walk up to him in a room . He has armed robots protecting Maralago for cripes sake.

I, too, share the sentiment and also have said that out loud in protected circles. But it would start a civil war, which we are trying to avoid. We have families and children too. How does one decide to fall on that sword? Who here would do it if they were in our position? It is not reasonable, but we all wish it would happen.

We are doing things Democratically until we no longer can. It will stay this way until Nov 2026 or until he starts something.

If only the 10pm News programmes would report the actual news as opposed to some random pundits speculation…

Last part was in reference to Russia

David49

It seems to me that Trump is bending over backwards to avoid war, he does not want to escalate Ukraine because it may risk a nuclear response or draw China in. It’s Europe thats saying Ukraine should push Russia back, but Europe doesn’t want to provide the arms to do it.

He’s concentrating on internal security, migration and drug trafficking, he has withdrawn from a large part of the overseas aid activity, as well as changing the tarrifs.

This is an America First policy and we should worry if it becomes a Fortress America policy and to hell with the rest.

He is actively, aggressively, and objectively instigating war with Venezuela like a true coward and bully, so no he isn’t trying to avoid war. The correct way to frame his actions are: he’s sucking up to another imperialist power he doesn’t want war with.

Aveline

Why oh why in a country full of guns is Trump still alive? I know that's a dreadful thing to say but he's a dreadful man doing dreadful things to others.

I don't see it as a dreadful thing to say. I've certainly got a shortlist in my mind of "Put me and them into a room - and no record of what happens within and I had a shotgun in my hand = only one of us would be walking back out of that room" and I'm basically a peaceful person....but I don't reckon I'd lose a moments sleep about helping the world out.

The only trouble I see to that is that lying/grabby sort of person is percolated throughout society to the extent I'd only have a (very) short walk from my house to three people like that. These characters get in everywhere - at every level of society.

Yes. We must. We must also put out money where our mouth is. This new cold war is going to cost us.

Maremia

Trump is also intending to draw four nations away from the EU.
We could make a guess at which ones.
I would suggest Hungary, if Orban is still in charge.

Putin and Trump hate the EU - it is an economic challenge and hopefully a military challenge.

The EU won’t roll over for either one of them, they won’t be bullied.

Time we re- joined!!

I've just had a second listen to the TRIP US security strategy doc podcast with Alastair and Rory. It's explains it well and confirms that the current American government does not see Europe as an ally plus a lot of other very worrying and frankly scary things, too many to mention. It will please Putin though!

Why oh why in a country full of guns is Trump still alive? I know that's a dreadful thing to say but he's a dreadful man doing dreadful things to others.

Trump is also intending to draw four nations away from the EU.
We could make a guess at which ones.
I would suggest Hungary, if Orban is still in charge.

Trump has openly said that he will interfere in European elections to ensure that the far right candidates win, as well as actually interfering in South America to the extent he is using military force.

Putin of course has been actively interfering and we have him in part to thank for Brexit.

Agree absolutely foxie.

Whitewavemark2

My grandchildren are not cannon fodder because our weak leaders are somehow not getting to grip with things and stepping in to stop what seems to me war by default - if it should happen.

We have the wherewithal to stop Putin - between us Europe has capability to make Putin think twice before he takes Europe on.

Realistically there is no credible threat to our “homeland” however we are committed to defending NATOs borders so if Poland or Estonia or Romania are attacked we will defend them, that will mean boots on the ground and lives lost.

So it’s nonsense to speak of not getting involved because if we don’t fight alongside our allies nations will fall one by one then there is a threat to us.

I think we have been fighting an underground war with Russia for a long time. Putin has been meddling in our referendum and elections via social media and buying influence in our businesses, media, financial institutions and even in our parliament. Reform has proven links to Russia, Nathan Gill is just one, there are others who have spoken in favour of Russia and Reform voters in a recent Yougov survey tended to be "neutral" with regard to Russia. That doesn't surprise me! If Putin is allowed to gain territory by aggression, he'll be back for more.

My grandchildren are not cannon fodder because our weak leaders are somehow not getting to grip with things and stepping in to stop what seems to me war by default - if it should happen.

We have the wherewithal to stop Putin - between us Europe has capability to make Putin think twice before he takes Europe on.

U.K. and Europe are full of fine words in support of Ukraine and that’s it ! More action, release the Russian Funds to Ukraine. US has abandoned Ukraine. It’s a terrible mess.