Non Crime Hate incidents to be scrapped?

Are they being totally scrapped, if so that is good news, it was always the process that was the punishment, frequently instigated by abusive people.

Plenty of serious crime around which should occupy their time. Clearly. The police shouldn’t be involved in political stuff at all.

I do wonder whether we've actually turned a corner. So immersed we've become in this quasi topsy turvey world where a rationale akin to "McCarthyism" has reared its ugly head. Every hurtful word causes immense ructions. Sainsburys have only recently withdrawn a Christmas card which had the tagline "This Christmas I'm identifying as a Grinch". Some individual became offended allegedly! . So what! to be offended is part of the human condition, we're all offended at one time or another! Sainsburys however were too wuss to front out some flakey person's criticism of "it belittles the identity of trans and non binary people" so they remove the card FGS! oh get over yourself I've been in card shops and seen cards that are really offensive, awful sexual imagery, insinuations, slurs, sometimes using the image of Jesus and whilst I'm not a rabid Christian at times I've found some of those immensely disrespectful.

For the past few years we have been expected to go along with whatever is going on in the individual's psyche no matter how illogical or contrary to actual truth that may be. Worst case scenarios, as with the woman who posted something on MN who misgendered an adversary she was having an on line spat with and then gets arrested in front of her children by heavy handed police and spends the night in police cells. Try getting the same police to assist with a car theft though and you'll be on your own. We all know what happened to Graham Linehan recently met at the airport mob handed, straight off a plane, only later it was deemed, what he said was "maybe a bit hurtful" but didn't break any laws.

Parallel Universe bordering on insanity

Maybe they’ll finally, actually, start doing something about the plague of shoplifting hitting our high streets, then.

I'm glad to see a reviewing of this aspect of police work.

I do believe that the "most serious category" should be kept, for some threats are truly meant against named individuals, and designed to induce fear or very strong calls to violence. Death or rape threats, bullying that causes for example a young person to take their life, or specifically organising violence directed at a particular place. (Like a synagogue)

I imagine they will define this category as part of their work.

Wyllow Absolutely agree there are genuine hate crimes, threats of violence, urging a susceptible young person to do something irreversible or damaging for example. All those need the protection of the law but there needs to be a distinction between those and people taking umbrage over what could be argued are different perceptions that don't accord with one's own.

I would be happy to see the people who reported the 'non hate' incidents prosecuted. It was using the legal system as a firm of abuse.

Form not firm!

Witzend

Maybe they’ll finally, actually, start doing something about the plague of shoplifting hitting our high streets, then.

My thoughts exactly!

Oh dear! Labour and common sense do not go together. Why do I get the feeling whatever they mean will be worse and even more unfair for some people?!

I don't know love0c, why do you have that feeling?

Why would that be liveOc? Do you prefer the status quo?

Changing the rules/ laws is the easy part.
The problem comes when the police don’t know / understand the new guidelines.

Under the plans, NCHIs will be replaced with a new “common sense” system, where only a fraction of such incidents will be recorded under the most serious category of anti-social behaviour.

I hope this does not contravene the Supreme Court ruling about transgender rights. Bridget Phillipson is attempting to rewrite the guidance relevant to them.

I don’t see why it should- we are talking policing and prosecution here.

Words, of course, matter but unless they are personally directed at you or are advocating harm, I think we need to just shrug and move on. You might shut people up by targeting them with legal action but you don't change the way they thing and if anything, you make the situation worse because they feel targeted. I like the idea of concentrating on much more serious crime.

Not very nice if you are the recipient of the non crime hate comments. I don't think those kind of comments should ever be condoned and I'm a bit disappointed with a socialist government allowing this particular thin end of the wedge.

So Emerald, would you say it was right that a woman who says “ men cannot become women” or who object to a trans woman in a female space should have a non-crime hate incident recorded against her while the males who held up signs saying “ decapitate terfs” should be ignored, as they were at a public meeting last year attended by several Labour mps?
(TERF = trans exclusionary radical feminist)

Wyllow3

I'm glad to see a reviewing of this aspect of police work.

I do believe that the "most serious category" should be kept, for some threats are truly meant against named individuals, and designed to induce fear or very strong calls to violence. Death or rape threats, bullying that causes for example a young person to take their life, or specifically organising violence directed at a particular place. (Like a synagogue)

I imagine they will define this category as part of their work.

Sensible post in that some of this stuff needs to be redefined and kept.

Besides all the ludicrous Wokeisn. Many people includinng women and the disabled are atill viciously verbally abused on a daily basis usually by men. Real hatred and spoken violence.

So please dont forget about them and other real genuine victims of proper hate crime

Maybe they’ll finally, actually, start doing something about the plague of shoplifting hitting our high streets, then

they are Witzend.. told the shops to get it sorted themselves!

Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. It seems to me that people are offended 24/7.