USA Issues Threat To Greenland

CabbageWars13

Threat to using military by Trump's America.

Here comes World War III?

I think I'm more concerned re Putin threat today, after it was disclosed British troops/ Navy were involved in the apprehending of a tanker
LIVE
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US seizes Russian-flagged tanker in Atlantic as UK confirms it gave support to operation

I’m having to ignore the news as much as possible. I feel totally confused and helpless. I don’t understand what the hell is going on.

There is absolutely no reason to take over Greenland. When I was younger and flying to the UK from America, I just thought it was a very underpopulated Country with no identity but close enough to the US with no connection. They don’t depend on us and we don’t depend on them. This takeover talk is Trump doing the same thing as Russia. Denmark is a part of NATO and would back up the US in the event of an attack by Russia…Trump’s buddy, Putin. What is going on in our Country is a disgrace and an embarrassment to any person that wants a peaceful Country. Trump speaks for the minority and they are all radicals that use him as their spokesperson for world power. It is insane to read all the things he is involved in that he has no business. He is an ignorant, stupid BULLY Zane it will be a celebratory day when he and his sycophants are out of the White House. Not sure why people forget January 6th insurrection, the Bleach/Covid cure and the fact that he is a convicted felon with so many more almost convictions. What has our Country come to. I am an ashamed, embarrassed citizen of the United States. Forgive us!

Did people see this?
Statement by President Macron of France, Chancellor Merz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Tusk of Poland, Prime Minister Sánchez of Spain, Prime Minister Starmer of the United Kingdom and Prime Minister Frederiksen of Denmark on Greenland.

Arctic security remains a key priority for Europe and it is critical for international and transatlantic security.

NATO has made clear that the Arctic region is a priority and European Allies are stepping up. We and many other Allies have increased our presence, activities and investments, to keep the Arctic safe and to deter adversaries. The Kingdom of Denmark – including Greenland – is part of NATO.

Security in the Arctic must therefore be achieved collectively, in conjunction with NATO allies including the United States, by upholding the principles of the UN Charter, including sovereignty, territorial integrity and the inviolability of borders. These are universal principles, and we will not stop defending them.

The United States is an essential partner in this endeavour, as a NATO ally and through the defence agreement between the Kingdom of Denmark and the United States of 1951.

Greenland belongs to its people. It is for Denmark and Greenland, and them only, to decide on matters concerning Denmark and Greenland.

Thanks LizzieDrip

That was in response to Madeleine45's post 15.33.

The world has already learned Trump can't be trusted to stick with what he said yesterday, on anything. Trump has shown to the world his pattern of behaviour- unpredictable, belligerent, maximalist rhetoric, grabbing, America 1st, aggressive threats, theatrical, self serving, narcissistic, loving publicity on the world stage etc etc.

However he has also shown a pattern of later back tracking and deescalating from his aggressive threats. Eg his Tariffs threats lead to the acronym TAC0- 'Trump Always Chickens Out'. Trump rejected the TACO characterisation and framed his Tariff threat actions as a 'successful negotiating tactic'.

World leaders may be acting cautiously to see how/whether Trump's TACO characteristics actually play out in the (very) short term in both Greenland and Venezuela, weighing the risks of that approach against the risks of crossing or standing against Trump as he has a well earned reputation of being vengeful when crossed?

Plus it takes time for other countries to "band together" to grow safety in numbers and increase any real risk of threat against the Trump administration, against a back drop of needing US support in other areas- e.g. Europe re peace force support in Ukraine.

AuntieE

Whitewavemark2

I had not appreciated until recent reading about Greenland people and their culture that they are in fact almost entirely Inuit, with Inuit culture and Scandinavia culture also being very influential.

They are a hunter nation and language is largely Danish.

So no one should get the impression that they will benefit from USA takeover, in fact almost certainly quite the opposite.

Look how the USA treats its own indigenous people.

Permit me to point out that Danish is the Greenlandic Inuits' second language. Their first is Greenlandic, or whatever you would call it in English.

Yes I should have said that - I do know that - bit remiss of me😊

I have already written on another thread about my views on Trumps behaviour and statements. But at the risk of repeating myself, now being 80 , I have lived through quite a variety of situations and under various dictatorial rules such as Assad in Syria, Salazar in Portugal and Caechescue in Romania, but the most worrying and frightening time I consider was the Bay of Pigs situation.

Right now I think the situation is going towards being even worse than that situation, as Trump is not even just behaving like a dictator, wanting his own way, but cannot be trusted to keep to the same plan from one day to another. In my opinion , he is showing real signs of either dementia, or he is just swapping from "toddler in a tantrum" and "bully boy demanding to be given whatever he wants with no rights to what he wants" I suggest that the dementia is the kinder suggestion.

I have no sympathy with the president of venezula who should have been deposed years ago. However that does mean that Trump has the right to go onto the sovereign land of other nations, without being asked to do so, nor to put armed forces onto another land. Trump is basically a very greedy man who sees everything in terms of what will benefit Trump 1st, 2nd and 3rd and so far has seen his bullying attitude being allowed to go ahead with no one stopping him.

This will merely let him think that he can go on behaving as he is. So if you look back to how Hitler decided he would walk into Poland , and the result of that, you should clearly see the dangers of allowing Trump to carry on without being stopped , and by stopped I suggest that he should be blocked from any more interfering in other countries affairs and told in no uncertain terms to stop any plans to repeat such behaviour. It needs to happen NOW and all intelligent people to band together to make sure that he cannot go on with his behaviour, which also , by the way, is providing a smoke screen to not notice the mess he is in with his company, and trying to hide that so that the way he has run his company is not scrutinised.

When you look at Putin, you see appalling behaviour but we can see what we are dealing with, however dreadful, but Trump cannot even be trusted to stick to what he said yesterday, so there is no dealing with such a person as an equal. Even if you do not care about other people or fairness or right, you might think that " there but for the grace of god go I" . As long as he runs things in the USA there will be no certainty about anything and his signature on any documents should not be trusted at all.

Whitewavemark2

I had not appreciated until recent reading about Greenland people and their culture that they are in fact almost entirely Inuit, with Inuit culture and Scandinavia culture also being very influential.

They are a hunter nation and language is largely Danish.

So no one should get the impression that they will benefit from USA takeover, in fact almost certainly quite the opposite.

Look how the USA treats its own indigenous people.

"Look at how the USA has treated its own Indigenuous Peoples and its citizens of the American black population" ..

This has been death or slavery for several centuries !

Trump supports the KKK ..

Let us not forget this.

I'm just hoping it's another of Trump's shock tactics to worry everybody involved. He seems to start his infamous 'negotiations' this way and then settle on a less horrific outcome. Fingers crossed in today's dangerous world.

Trump is a morally bankrupt warmonger. He only sees dollar signs. We need to stand up to him - never was their worst time for us to be separated from Europe. We will get threatened with sanctions and economically take a hit - but it will be worse if we end up as his puppet.
He is no better than Putin and Trump and Putin are the people Farage most admires! How far we have sunk. We cannot let Trump break international law and threaten other nations with impunity.

Trump says Europe will be changed in 20 years. He has managed to make the USA unrecognizable to its friends in 12 months. Knowing for some time that America is no longer the friend and ally of Europe we must pivot away from the USA. it will take time but there is no going back.

I am surprised that there has not been any mention of Canada having any interest in their neighbour Greenland. They will have some sympathy with the threat of Trump to take over their country

Venezuelan linked I should say.

yogitree

If you look on Skyscanner, there are a 3 US airforce planes up near Iceland just now. 13.57 GMT

According to the BBC, a part of the effort to seize a Venezuelan oil tanker. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwynjdqgellt

Denmark must be almost the last nation with a colony. It 'acquired' Greenland in about 1710 and has hung on to it ever since. It's too small in population to become truly independent in my opinion unless it attracted a large amount of inward investment to replace the Danish subsidy equivalent to 500 to 600 million US dollars a year.

If you look on Skyscanner, there are a 3 US airforce planes up near Iceland just now. 13.57 GMT

85% against.

There must be a summit / The Hague / The UN to curtail this activity and any future activity against other countries.

Whitewavemark2

I had not appreciated until recent reading about Greenland people and their culture that they are in fact almost entirely Inuit, with Inuit culture and Scandinavia culture also being very influential.

They are a hunter nation and language is largely Danish.

So no one should get the impression that they will benefit from USA takeover, in fact almost certainly quite the opposite.

Look how the USA treats its own indigenous people.

Permit me to point out that Danish is the Greenlandic Inuits' second language. Their first is Greenlandic, or whatever you would call it in English.

This has just been reported. I know it's a rag, but it could be true.....

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/special-forces-launch-operation-scots-36512387#source=breaking-news

ElaineI

Think Trump has decided he runs planet Earth! Delusions of grandeur, lack of sense??? Tanith you've got it!

IMO he’s a megalomaniac narcissist. Or perhaps a narcissistic megalomaniac.

I once read of an eminent psychiatrist citing a very rare, and he added ‘dangerous’ personality type - a malignant narcissist. IIRC he quoted Pol Pot and Hitler as probably typical, and IIRC Saddam Hussein. I dare say he’d now add Putin, and I’m wondering what he’d say now, re Trump….

As Mr Vance says "Who will fight the USA?" 🤔

David49

A military take over is very unlikely because when the Democrats gain power ot Trump looses his majority, it will get reversed, much more likely is a deal with Denmark. Independance is not an option for Greenland they have virtually no income to buy the imports they need. If they were to be independant, probably a $1 billion a year would be needed to sustain them, if it doesn’t come from The US or Denmark, then who?.
Greenland and is actually quite a burden on Denmark, it costs $600 million to subsidize the population of 22,000 every year, so that could be quite a favourable deal for Denmark

But Trump is not talking of independance for Greenland - he wants to add it to the United States, which is quite a different kettle of fish.

Totally horrendous threatening behaviour and totally uncalled for.

Time for The Hague to step in ..

This is another horrifying and appalling way in which to treat other governments.

This is a pedaphile and should be imprisoned & impeached.