Perfidy on the High Seas

Another point to consider, if, whenever, the USA is called to justice over these killings, who will be in court? It won't be Trump. It will be the service folk, 'obeying orders'.

Ronib never comes back when challenged. [Hmm]

M0nica

ronib

The reasons for Trump’s actions seem highly laudable. Drugs kill many people.

Do you know with absolute certainity that those killed were all everyone willing drug runners? Could some have been coerced or in modern slavery?

Is the death penalty really a suitable punishmen? It harks back to the days when we hanged people for killing sheep or stealing a handkerchief. Presumably if you would execute drug runners There would be other criminals you would consider deserve execution. How about anyone taking a Class A drug?paedophiles? Those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving?

It is highly likely that drug runners are coerced into crewing the ships most would if their whole family faced extermination. The extreme brutality of the drug cartels is well known
The alternative is is submit to that kind of intimidation, we live in a world where criminals think nothing of killing any witness or traitors. The liberal attitude to drug use has resulted in the violence and crime level we have today.

ronib

Drug runners? What damage do they cause? Do the ends justify the means in this situation?

What if they make a mistake? Target an innocent ship and murder innocent sailors. If he gets it wrong it is just on dear and move on?

ronib

The reasons for Trump’s actions seem highly laudable. Drugs kill many people.

Do you know with absolute certainity that those killed were all everyone willing drug runners? Could some have been coerced or in modern slavery?

Is the death penalty really a suitable punishmen? It harks back to the days when we hanged people for killing sheep or stealing a handkerchief. Presumably if you would execute drug runners There would be other criminals you would consider deserve execution. How about anyone taking a Class A drug?paedophiles? Those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving?

So many Posters seem to be condoning a criminal act.

Well, the POTUS seems to act with very little regard to moral law, so ...

Maremia

So many Posters condoning a criminal act?

One of the problems with modern democracy is that criminals and terrorists operate outside the moral law which is why the conviction rate is so low.

Very often the authorities know exactly who is responsible for the crime but fear of reprisal prevents evidence being collected

So many Posters condoning a criminal act?

Drug runners are vile. My heart does not bleed.

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While it may sound like a good idea to kill drug dealers ronib, it's outside the law, it's killing people who have not been judged as guilty by a court or jury, so it sounds like summary execution! What if the dealers had crew who are coerced into the role? What if innocent relatives, children, girlfriends, boyfriends etc were on board? What's to stop drug dealers being rounded up and gassed, followed by political dissenters and so on? Thin end of the wedge IMHO.

They didn't bother to let the Scottish government know it was there either. Our first minister isn't a happy bunny.

MrsMatt

I am convinced that man is hell bent on starting WW III. Yesterday US seized a tanker sailing under the Russian flag, off the coast of Scotland. He has told Iranian Patriots to 'take over your institutions' and that 'help is on it's way'. He should concentrate on getting his own country in order. Oh wait a minute, that hasn't worked out well so far has it?

Is that not a contravention of so many international shipping laws?

Drug trafficking in the US does, at the extreme, carry the death penalty, but it is carried out in a court of law, not on the high seas.

Iranians are protesting off their own bat not because Trump told them to, but I sure hope help is coming soon for them.

MrsMatt That’s the same tanker that was seized from carrying oil for Venezuela ( tho empty when seized.) It runs up various flags to deceive.It’s been taken to Scotland to refuel and get supplies.

I am convinced that man is hell bent on starting WW III. Yesterday US seized a tanker sailing under the Russian flag, off the coast of Scotland. He has told Iranian Patriots to 'take over your institutions' and that 'help is on it's way'. He should concentrate on getting his own country in order. Oh wait a minute, that hasn't worked out well so far has it?

correction: thinks he knows that those people etc.

wonder if Trump will continue to kill people because he knows/thinks he knows the those people are definitely drug runners? killing is killing is killing and he seems to be enjoying it more and more. the end does not justify the means!!!

It's just overt criminal action.
Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, makes no difference to him.
A rogue nation now.

I’m of the view that Trump does things in his personal best interests- which may explain some of his contradictory actions.

I agree with David and Petra re what Trump is doing re drugs, possibly for different reasons.

However, Trump will use his activities to be able to claims he is a “good man” not a “bad man”.

It’s makes no sense to whatsoever to one the one hand pardon drug barons and then on the other bomb boats allegedly carrying drugs.

A most mystifying series of events. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Still no more strange than most things Trump does and says

Delila

Oreo

I think if the boat had been an innocent fishing boat then the world would know by now.
These narco boats contain armed vicious men, don’t waste any tears on them.

I think if the boat had turned out to be an innocent fishing boat it’s very unlikely that the world would know by now.

Do you think Trump would tell us?

An innocent fishing boat would not be travelling at 50 knots, they travel at 15 knots or so and can easily be caught and investigated. The real harm is the crime associated with addicts involved in crime and gangs fighting for control.
Governments around the world condone drug use, drug use is increasing in the UK and many other countries, cocaine is just part of the problem, synthetic drugs can be manufactured anywhere.
Trump is actually wasting his time because when the Democrats get back on power everything will be reversed.

Spot on, Delila