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Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 10:41:16

Telegraph today

Trump’s plan to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse

Sounds more than a little ominous?

Really interesting article covering two things

1) Trumps complete “lie” about Russian and China having ships in Greenland water, not ONE local report from Greenland, across many sources, about spitting even ONE ship.

2) Very very interesting info around Greenland’s minerals. A good read if you have time, link below.

It raises yet again how gun-ho Trump is about getting what he wants, lying, cheating and breaking all kinds of protocol because man-child Trump chooses.

My heart goes out to Greenlanders, who appear very content with Denmark and both Greenland and Denmark have cooperated fully with USA re security since the 1950’s.

My view? Come on Europe, pool ALL your resources and stop this idiot before he ruins our entire world with his greed.

What do you think?

Just in case link doesn’t work, salient points from the article are below, warning, it’s long!

.*Trump’s plan to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse
US proposals to buy the island have been met with protests and alarm by locals
Eir Nolsøe is Economics Correspondent at The Telegraph covering stories on government tax and spend, the labour market and monetary policy.
When Aka Binzer-Johnsen prepared her two daughters for school and nursery after the holidays at the start of January, she felt compelled to tell them about Donald Trump. “I asked my daughters if they could remember from last year that Trump really wants our country,” she says. “I tried to explain in a child-friendly way that this is happening again, and if they hear anything, that’s why.”
The 38-year-old mother, her husband Uju and their daughters, aged five and seven, live on the outskirts of Nuuk, the capital of Greenland.
Home to just 20,000 people, life in the quiet town with colourful wooden houses normally feels safe and far removed from the world’s troubles.
But the US president’s threats to seize Greenland have brought a crisis to Nuuk’s doorstep. “This was always like a safe little bubble,” says Binzer-Johnsen, who is a project manager for a charity. “That’s what we are used to from growing up here.”
She adds: “Everything has changed so fast. People are very scared, and emotions are heightened. I’ve felt really bad about what is going on. I’ve had sleepless nights.
“I have so many questions, wondering what we are going to do. If I want to protect my family, is this the time to act?
“I constantly feel ready to flee and leave, just for a period. But at the same time, we can’t just stop living. Everything we’ve invested in is here: our dreams and our life.”

Such considerations are now weighing on the minds of many Greenlanders, regardless of the territory’s status as a Nato member and having served as an American ally for more than 80 years.
The fate of the world’s largest island has been thrust back into the spotlight this month following Trump’s capture of Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president.
Buoyed by his coup in Latin America, Trump has now set his sights on Greenland, the sparsely populated autonomous Danish territory.
“We need Greenland from a national security situation,” Mr Trump said last week, adding that he may have to choose between preserving Nato or expanding America’s influence in the western hemisphere.

“It’s so strategic. Right now, Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships all over the place.”
The threats have sent alarm bells ringing in Copenhagen and Brussels, prompting stunned European leaders to issue a joint statement saying they will “not stop defending” Greenland.
However, it should not come as a surprise.
The US president has long been fascinated by Greenland, which has been part of the Danish kingdom for hundreds of years, like the Faroe Islands.
Trump first proposed buying the island during his first term in 2019, comparing it to “a large real estate deal”.

Seven years later, he has returned to the issue, alternating between threats of military force and offers to make Greenlanders rich.
All in all, last week’s events suggest the US president may be determined to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse.
However, in Nuuk, the mood is one of anger and defiance.
“He can go f--- himself,” is the verdict from a local pensioner.

So why has the world’s most powerful man decided that, come hell or high water, he must own the world’s largest island?
“The Arctic is the crossroads of the world,” says Dwayne Menezes, founder of the Polar Research and Policy Initiative in London.
“Greenland is strategically located along the shortest air and sea routes between three continents: North America, Europe and Asia.”
The country’s position means it would offer the shortest route for ballistic missiles targeting North America, and it is key to surveillance in the Arctic.
“It also is a vast resource frontier, all of which is becoming increasingly strategically important for the US, but also increasingly accessible because of climate change,” Menezes adds.

The US has cooperated with Greenland and Denmark on national security since the Second World War.
Americans operate the island’s only military base. Some 150 US soldiers staff the Pituffik Space Base on the north-west coast, down from 6,000 during the Cold War.
This is part of a defence agreement that has been in place between the US and Denmark since 1951.
“The US has had such critical infrastructure in Greenland since the Second World War, through the Cold War, and more recently, even now, it plays a very, very important role for the Space Force,” Menezes says.

Experts and locals are also sceptical of US claims that the island’s waters are full of ships from hostile states that pose a threat.
“If there are so many Chinese and Russian ships here, then how can it be that only Donald Trump has seen them?” says Frans Heilmann, the boss of fishing company Sigguk.
Heilmann adds: “All of Greenland is full of fishing trawlers. I have not heard of a single trawler that has spotted either a Russian or Chinese vessel near our coasts.

“I am not sure he [Trump] has much of a conscience. He says Greenland’s strategic position means he needs us for national security.
“But he already has that. That argument is worthless. He’s just after the minerals. He’s a trophy hunter.”
The suspicion that Trump’s interest in Greenland is its vast deposits of rare earths is widespread.
“It’s not really any more about wanting to get Greenland because of security reasons, but coming up with security reasons to get Greenland,” says Menezes.*

The island is rich in resources ranging from uranium that can be used to power nuclear plants to obscure minerals critical for modern-day electronics.*

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Mamie Thu 22-Jan-26 04:02:30

Greyduster

^Agreed, the biggest obstacle is the French as usual, currently they are threatening to leave NATO^.

David the French have form on leaving NATO to go it alone. They did it in 1966 but even then they still wanted to keep a seat at the table. NATO didn’t collapse without them - it simply moved its HQ from France to Belgium and went from strength to strength. France didn’t recommit their armed forces again until 2009. What are they going to do alone, even if they do have a nuclear deterrent? What would be the point of being outside the tent p*****g in?

1966 was basically de Gaulle being difficult, so no surprises there. I have had a good look at French sources and most of this stuff about leaving OTAN seems to be from one dêputě in La France Insoumise and I wouldn't take them seriously.

David49 Thu 22-Jan-26 03:55:27

Fallingstar

So Trump thinks the US won the Second World War, undoubtedly their presence towards the of the war bolstered flagging allied forces, though fact is they would never have got involved if Pearl Harbour hadn’t happened.
But he is so wrong, it was the Soviets who truly helped the allies win the war.

Lets get this straight it was US war production that won WW2. The allies could not have stopped Hitler without the Tanks, Guns, Aircraft and Weapons the US produced. The Japanese made a grave error of judgement attacking Pearl Harbour, just as Hitler was stupid to attack Russia

The rest is history, today if Europe is to defend itself against agressive neighbours without the US our lifestyles are going to be reduced.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 22-Jan-26 03:45:28

Catching up with the rest of the days news, I am pleased to hear Starmer changing his tone regarding Trump’s behaviour.

It would appear that Starmer has decided his softly, softly approach isn’t working, and has as a result noticeably hardened his rhetoric over Greenland.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 22-Jan-26 03:41:28

Trump has - for his own reasons- drawn back from the bellicose threat of military action, but also now from imposing tariffs on those countries disagreeing with his announcement to “buy” Greenland.

It apparently happened after his talks with NATO “daddy” chief Rutte.

We await his next move.

DrWatson Thu 22-Jan-26 01:22:21

For MenopausalBitch, 1) Greenland is part of DENMARK, not bl^^dy Norway (not heard any news for the last month??!!).

2) Your "saw some i'views" . . .is delusional, repeated surveys, quoted by Greenlandic ministers, suggest that about 85% of that population does NOT want America there. Sure, they're not totally in love with Denmark, but that maybe equates to a fair subset of Australians who'd prefer not to have any British influence? Or Scotland perhaps?

They've been talking to the Danes for decades, re independence, at a guess Doolali Donny's interference has made that less likely?

DrWatson Thu 22-Jan-26 01:13:38

I see that the Demented Orange Toddler claimed, in his outing to Davos, that "you'd be speaking German but for us"?

Sadly, his only college books had numbers for the relevant crayons.

Roosevelt – a great President, with a fully working brain! - had concluded that it was best for USA to defeat Hitler IN Europe, otherwise Germany would likely end up as victors against the British, then Stalin's Russia (which only survived with British & American help).

In THAT eventuality, a bigger and much stronger German force would in due course attempt to invade the States, causing massive destruction on their eastern seaboard. Hence D-Day and all the rest, lesser of two evils.

PLUS -- Donny the Dim said last week (re Greenland) "we cannot have China or Russia as neighbours".

One of his carers could tell him that Alaska and Russia are about 50 miles apart, they have BEEN “neighbours” since Russia sold them Alaska in 1867. And he went to Alaska last year to snuggle up to his war criminal pal Putin! No wonder he's a business genius who's been bankrupt 5 times, one of the few in history to get a casino to go bust?!

Fallingstar Wed 21-Jan-26 22:22:55

Trump destroys any kind of diplomacy with other countries time and again by throwing out verbal hand grenades then standing back to admire his handiwork. He is a political sociopath.

Casdon Wed 21-Jan-26 22:17:53

This isn’t the end, it’s just a temporary rapprochement.

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 22:09:33

MayBee70

So, what was the point of it other than narcissism? And a deranged man child throwing his power around…

All that hot air is contributing to global warming.
He thinks the ice sheet covering Greenland might melt. Trump's not as daft as you think!

MayBee70 Wed 21-Jan-26 22:04:54

So, what was the point of it other than narcissism? And a deranged man child throwing his power around…

Oreo Wed 21-Jan-26 21:48:38

Well, no force used against Greenland and no tariffs so panic over.

Greyduster Wed 21-Jan-26 20:00:49

Agreed, the biggest obstacle is the French as usual, currently they are threatening to leave NATO.

David the French have form on leaving NATO to go it alone. They did it in 1966 but even then they still wanted to keep a seat at the table. NATO didn’t collapse without them - it simply moved its HQ from France to Belgium and went from strength to strength. France didn’t recommit their armed forces again until 2009. What are they going to do alone, even if they do have a nuclear deterrent? What would be the point of being outside the tent p*****g in?

Wyllow3 Wed 21-Jan-26 18:40:50

The arrogance was breathtaking, the errors predictable, but we knew it would be.
But I caught a post speech interview with him which asked about (basically) how we can live better in peace,

and (I paraphrase the answer) his road to peace basically was that all should arm themselves to the teeth

This is the danger Trump is bringing to our vulnerable world. It echoes his attitude to guns at home - if there is a big school shooting, everyone should get themselves more guns.

Its a return to the Cold War ethic that the only way to have peace between nations is to have a high balance of nuclear weapons, and yet post Cold War the attempt has been to have less, not more.

And IMO NATO has not just been "neglectful" as portrayed now by Trump and buddies, in relying on treaties not "Armed to the teeth".

Yes we do need to update

But resist a world where all countries have to be armed to the teeth.

I think Trump wants to split and destroy NATO (divide and rule).

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 18:36:27

Elegran

Allira

DH is watching Animal Park.
Lovely giraffes. There is a lovely world out there, we have to protect it from predatory beasts.

You and DH can identify the giraffes, then? You must have a very high IQ - almost as high as Trump!

Well, it did help that they told us what they were, Elegran 😁
We may not have realised otherwise 🤔

I was thinking of the predatory beast in Davos.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Jan-26 18:32:49

Mamie

Trump may have confused Greenland with Iceland or perhaps he thought he was buying a supermarket chain?

😀😀😀

But not really funny😡😡

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 18:31:31

Menopauselbitch

I’ve watched a few videos of Greenlander being interviewed and they prefer Trump to Norway. Dint always believe the media.

Dont always believe the media.

QED

Fallingstar Wed 21-Jan-26 18:26:31

And that includes Canada

Elegran Wed 21-Jan-26 18:26:13

Allira

DH is watching Animal Park.
Lovely giraffes. There is a lovely world out there, we have to protect it from predatory beasts.

You and DH can identify the giraffes, then? You must have a very high IQ - almost as high as Trump!

Fallingstar Wed 21-Jan-26 18:25:28

Trump keeps saying how nations should be thankful for what the US has done for them, well how about the US being thankful for the nations that supplied boots on the ground to support the US in its various adventures abroad, with army personnel sent back in body bags. C’mon Trump, I know it will stick in your throat, but how about thanking the many families around the world who lost loved ones on US battle fields.

Mamie Wed 21-Jan-26 18:18:56

Trump may have confused Greenland with Iceland or perhaps he thought he was buying a supermarket chain?

Fallingstar Wed 21-Jan-26 18:18:51

So Trump thinks the US won the Second World War, undoubtedly their presence towards the of the war bolstered flagging allied forces, though fact is they would never have got involved if Pearl Harbour hadn’t happened.
But he is so wrong, it was the Soviets who truly helped the allies win the war.

Mamie Wed 21-Jan-26 18:15:14

Menopauselbitch

I’ve watched a few videos of Greenlander being interviewed and they prefer Trump to Norway. Dint always believe the media.

What has Norway got to do with it? Did you mean Denmark?

MaizieD Wed 21-Jan-26 18:13:40

Menopauselbitch

I’ve watched a few videos of Greenlander being interviewed and they prefer Trump to Norway. Dint always believe the media.

Greenland has nothing to do with Norway...

Menopauselbitch Wed 21-Jan-26 18:01:42

I’ve watched a few videos of Greenlander being interviewed and they prefer Trump to Norway. Dint always believe the media.

mae13 Wed 21-Jan-26 17:29:37

Trump's rambling speech, today, by far proves he's insane.

He got Iceland confused with Greenland, he stated his intention to build a "beautiful golden dome" over Greenland (gone Muslim has he now?), and topped it off by declaring that America gave Greenland back to Denmark when America won the Second World War, defeating Germany, Italy etc, etc.

It's just like a John Wayne film, innit? He regularly won WW2 single handed (even though he made sure he never put on an army uniform in real life.)