Iran latest

Pleased to see that Middle East states have strongly advised Trump to lay off Iran - for a number of reasons, amongst which are -

it would cause chaos, division and further bloodshed in the area.

It would strengthen Israel’s hand and possible encourage another hard right.

As I have said Trump is the monkey not the organ grinder, he is a useful idiot who will say the kind of nonsense that keeps his fan club on board whilst those with nefarious agendas keep him spoon fed with praise whilst running the show.

I doubt that many real decisions are taken by him in any case, I bet his advisors are used to giving him certain options to choose from.

But why is Trump shorthand for the government? If you think about it, before Trump nobody ever thought that way, it wasn’t what the President would do by name, it was ‘wonder what the US will do’ or ‘how will America react’.
This Trump, Trump, Trump thing is something new.I didn’t mean just you btw it’s done by many.

Um - sorry you’ve taken it so literally. If you gave it some thought you would understand that Trump is shorthand for the government. But of course Trump as head will take full responsibility.

It will be what Trump and his military and advisors do, not just Trump.He enjoys taking the credit but it won’t really be him making the important and strategic decisions.
I do think posters often think he does everything alone!

Trying to work out what Trump will do.

I think it is a dead certainty that there will no troops on the ground, nor will Trump go in for regime change.

He might try to kill the leadership, but I’m not sure where that will get him, as regime collapse is a way off I think.

I can’t see how bombing Iran’s streets will help.

And of course the USA record in carrying out this sort of exercise is pretty dismal.

Cossy

Fallingstar

There is also a very real danger that if the US attacks Iran the sizeable number of Iranians who are not hardline but presently sitting on the fence will rally round the regime in the face of this aggression from an enemy of old. This will embolden the regime and so be counter productive.

I certainly do not wish to see yet another war, nor one egged on by Trump.

I don’t know what the answer is though, I just want all the fighting to stop, not more to begin

That won’t help the Iranians will it? Trump needs to step in fast.

Fallingstar

There is also a very real danger that if the US attacks Iran the sizeable number of Iranians who are not hardline but presently sitting on the fence will rally round the regime in the face of this aggression from an enemy of old. This will embolden the regime and so be counter productive.

I certainly do not wish to see yet another war, nor one egged on by Trump.

I don’t know what the answer is though, I just want all the fighting to stop, not more to begin

I wonder how much of their nuclear capability was actually destroyed? Trump claims that it was everything.

MaizieD

I’m struggling to think of what help Trump could offer, apart from indiscriminate bombing.

This is all so utterly tragic.

It doesn’t need to be indiscriminate, the US knows where the mullahs are and all the military structures.

Trump could use economic, cyber or military to help the Iranians.
He has threatened to impose an extra 25% tariff on any country trading with Iran.
Maybe some action is imminent or maybe not.

There’s a crazy academic at Bristol University, Prof Millar I think his name is who rants that Iran is too democratic and liberal and all the students and people coming out to protest about the regime have to be liquidated.
Corbyn used to be very keen on Iran up to becoming Leader of the Labour Party, when it became played down.Mind you he was keen on Maduro as well.😲

Fallingstar

Oreo

I think I would make an exception for some people TerriBull

Well am no fan of the death penalty but if they were to put members of the regime in a locked room with no exits and set fire to it I would promptly throw away the key and not ring the fire brigade.

With you on that one.

I've certainly got a rollcall in my head that goes "If that person and I were in a room together and I had a gun - and complete guarantee of no penalty for doing so = I'd fire the gun - and I wouldnt lose a moments sleep about doing so". Quite happy to add a few currently top Iranians (ie those mullahs) to the list...

Been checking to see what time today the murder is and they aren't releasing the time....

There is also a very real danger that if the US attacks Iran the sizeable number of Iranians who are not hardline but presently sitting on the fence will rally round the regime in the face of this aggression from an enemy of old. This will embolden the regime and so be counter productive.

I’m struggling to think of what help Trump could offer, apart from indiscriminate bombing.

This is all so utterly tragic.

I do wonder how much the promise of " Help" (whatever that means) from the USA has fuelled and encouraged the protests ?
Or would it have happened anyway regardless of Trump's intervention?
If Trump has stirred these people up then he needs to provide the "Help" that was offered.

AGAA4

The US is pulling staff out of Qatar as a 'precautionary measure'.
Does this mean Trump is planning to fulfil his promise to help in Iran.
The are base is open to attack from Iran if Trump interferes.

I want the beleaguered Iranian people to be helped but just as I am terrified of the regime am equally terrified of how the US will actually help them.
Liberating people with air strikes will not feel like liberation.

The US is pulling staff out of Qatar as a 'precautionary measure'.
Does this mean Trump is planning to fulfil his promise to help in Iran.
The are base is open to attack from Iran if Trump interferes.

Sarnia

BBC News saying that Iran is fast tracking executions for jailed protestors. A 26 year old man due to die within hours.

What will happen if that and other executions go ahead?

I imagine these executions go ahead all the time but the fact they are being fast tracked will just amount to killing the protesters as soon as they are arrested rather than later.

BBC News saying that Iran is fast tracking executions for jailed protestors. A 26 year old man due to die within hours.

What will happen if that and other executions go ahead?

Fallingstar

I know that sounds harsh and really that’s not me, but when I see the bodies laid out on the floor, and the pictures of the young beautiful brave souls who were killed I think of my own daughters and GCs and how I would feel if was one of them. And the final injury done to loved ones is that they cannot take their loved ones home for burial.

I know what you mean. It's heartbreaking, isn't it? There are no words.

Trump encourages them to carry on fighting with promises of help. Where is this help? Too many have lost their lives already.

I know that sounds harsh and really that’s not me, but when I see the bodies laid out on the floor, and the pictures of the young beautiful brave souls who were killed I think of my own daughters and GCs and how I would feel if was one of them. And the final injury done to loved ones is that they cannot take their loved ones home for burial.

Oreo

I think I would make an exception for some people TerriBull

Well am no fan of the death penalty but if they were to put members of the regime in a locked room with no exits and set fire to it I would promptly throw away the key and not ring the fire brigade.