Woman shot and killed by ICE in Minnesota- potential legal action and outcome of investigation.

The number of shots by that agent may be wrong - all the shots were within a few seconds.

Alex Pretti had a gun in the back of his belt, yes, but he had a permit to carry it and Minnesota is an open-carry area. Plus he did not draw it, so he was no threat. It was taken from him and THEN, when he was lying still on his back wth his hands above his head, he was shot several times, after which one of the agents stepped back a bit and shot him five more times.

Filming ICE going about their business is legal too.

Correction, it was pepper spray, not teargas.

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Alex Pretti was shot by ICE agents for filming them and for standing between them and a woman they had knocked down and were spraying with teargas. He was holding a phone with one hand, filming, and the other hand in the air. They beat him to the ground, one searched for his gun and walked away with it and the four others shot him 11 times while he was absolutely no threat to them. Their story is that he threatened them with the gun, but there is no sign of a gun in the video taken by the woman who made this affidavit.

He was an an ICU nurse whose colleagues thought very highly of him and do not believe that he was attacking the agents. Neither does anyone who was present.

This is a firsthand affidavit from one of the women who was there in Minneapolis today recording video. She talks about how Alex Pretti was directing traffic when she first arrived. She watched him be killed in front of her. She's afraid to go home, worried she'll be arrested.

Lawyers filed this declaration in federal court following today's shooting. Minneapolis Mayor Frey said the details would be used to bolster their case for ousting ICE from city.

Well I hope and expect to be president of the world in 3 years time …. Fat chance!

Farage thinks Trump is amazing, and so it is safe to assume that he thinks Trump's policies and actions are also amazing.
And that's another reason why we are showing interest in the tragic happenings in the USA just now.

Allira

Maremia

Simply because he hope and expects to be.

That man-in-the-pub persona would disappear pdq if he was.

Once he's in power I wouldn't expect anything else.

Maremia

Simply because he hope and expects to be.

And, because he aligns closely with the people who are supporting Trump in the US and I firmly believe that he will think the ICE operation is something that he could copy (if not 'quite' so viciously) to get rid of the hated immigrants in the UK. After all, he pours scorn on the current government's attempts to 'control our borders'.

Maremia

Simply because he hope and expects to be.

That man-in-the-pub persona would disappear pdq if he was.

They are using tear gas in the USA just now. It is no longer just theoretical.

Simply because he hope and expects to be.

Found them!

Why does everyone keep referring to Farage? He’s not in power. Starmer is.

Allira

Maremia

Tear gas...that's in answer to the GNs who asked about other weapons.

Or we could see if the water cannons bought by Boris were in fact scrapped.
They could be being used as a water feature somewhere.

They were scrapped because their use is illegal in the UK, but I don't suppose a bit of illegality would bother Farage.

I was going to suggest tasers and pepper spray...

Maremia

Tear gas...that's in answer to the GNs who asked about other weapons.

Or we could see if the water cannons bought by Boris were in fact scrapped.
They could be being used as a water feature somewhere.

Tear gas...that's in answer to the GNs who asked about other weapons.

Actually the well meaning I referred to are the people who have legal status but decide to become involved in politics. With devastating repercussions.

Sorry I don’t understand your point fallingstar. What conditions, if any, would you have on people seeking entry to the USA? Or is it absolutely all welcome?
The other point is why do some citizens not respect the rules which an elected government puts in place? Even to the extent of loss of life - their own!
And I wish more people would talk about Iran ….

ronib

This might seem naive but if you don’t have the right documentation to work and live in the USA, now could be the best time to leave if you value your life. Isn’t that the hidden message behind ICE?
I think it’s a tragedy that well meaning people are caught up in this situation. There needs to be a safer way to protest but this is not the country which encourages citizens to interfere with the eviction of its unwanted people.

So if someone doesn’t have the right documentation they are not well meaning and could be shot and killed?
Wow!
That’s one way to deal with things but I thought we are talking about the US not Iran. Seems there’s not much between it really.

This might seem naive but if you don’t have the right documentation to work and live in the USA, now could be the best time to leave if you value your life. Isn’t that the hidden message behind ICE?
I think it’s a tragedy that well meaning people are caught up in this situation. There needs to be a safer way to protest but this is not the country which encourages citizens to interfere with the eviction of its unwanted people.

Oreo

Think about all the thousands of US citizens shot and killed by the police there every year, often for very low level crime like shoplifting if they run away, and many mistakes as in wrongful killings.

That is true Oreo, and with a nation where guns are owned by so many people this is a predictable outcome. But ICE are not recognised law enforcement officers working within the justice system to firstly obtain a warrant to barge into people’s homes or vehicles and seize the occupants.
They seem to be working above the law and as you say even dealing with ordinary law enforcement officers can result in mistakes.
Dealing with this type of thuggery is resulting in far too many costly mistakes.

Think about all the thousands of US citizens shot and killed by the police there every year, often for very low level crime like shoplifting if they run away, and many mistakes as in wrongful killings.

I don’t believe that for a minute Maybee70 we are not the USA and never will be.

Cossy

Mackir

This does not affect UK. America has gone rogue and GB needs to focus on there own safety

How very naive are you? All Trump is doing at the moment has an effect on countries outside of his own!

Who would have thought that this could happen in America. It could happen here…this is why the thought of a Reform government terrifies me ( or even a Conservative government if it chooses to go further and further to the right because of Reform).

Tasers?