I thought the Handmaids Tale was fiction!!!

I agree the protection of women is dire under labour. One of the reasons I don't vote for them.
I just said that they aren't proposing the same policies as Reform like repealing the Equalities act and banning abortion.

I don't think Labour is proposing these plans to degrade women.
No but they are failing to let women be a defined group based solely on sex. As Galaxy mentioned up thread Lisa Nandy is on video record saying that transwomen rapists ie men should serve their sentence in a "prison of their choosing" Too many in the Labour party put transwomen in pole position over women. That's not protecting 51% of the population. Rosie Duffield has been treated abominably by Starmer for standing up for women's rights and I for one will never forget that.

Galaxy

That's fine but please be aware that many will be viewing the labour partys approach to women just as unpleasant as reform. I think if people look down on women for voting reform then they should be aware that some may look down on the women who supported Labour.

I don't look down on people for the way they vote.
Reform want to completely change the role of women taking us back to the 1950s and earlier when women were expected to marry, have children and stay at home to look after them. Women who worked in senior roles were few.
I don't think Labour is proposing these plans to degrade women.

That's fine but please be aware that many will be viewing the labour partys approach to women just as unpleasant as reform. I think if people look down on women for voting reform then they should be aware that some may look down on the women who supported Labour.

Quite so, Vintagewhine. As in my earlier post, I have concerns about the rights of women being eroded .
I support, also, the work of those who campaign against men having access to women's safety spaces.
It's not either/ or, and it's not about Mr Starmer, it's about messages, subtle and not so subtle, concerning the roles, and rights, of women - of our daughters and granddaughters.

Starmer seems to be blamed by some for everyone's errors of judgement. I'd rather put my faith in Starmer looking after my interests and women in general than Farage or Bannon which this thread is about.

There were a number of men in women's prisons, Karen white for example, the labour party with very few exceptions ( Rosie Duffield) was hostile to the women who campaigned against men in women's spaces, there is a 'hilarious' clip of lisa nandy arguing in favour of the prison policy.
At the Gorton and denton constituency a few days ago the labour candidate indicated they would not support the supreme court ruling relating to the equality act.
The Guardian reported mandelssons connection to epstein years ago, perhaps starmer missed it.

I do not support Starmer but I don't see how you could possibly come to the conclusion he is not on the side of women. he comes over as a decent man with family values.
The women in America should be very worried if married to someone controlling. Women have it in their power not to put up with it or get into it. Bring their girls up to know their true worth for a start. Not be dependant on a man for money, earn it,? Do not mix with men or people who hold those views.

These archaic ideas are certainly a retrograde step .
Now wife beating by husbands for infringements has been declared as acceptable and legal in Aghanistan .

Galaxy

Starmer supported policies which locked male rapists up with females, and appointed Mandelsson known at the time for his association with epstien to a position within government. I have absolutely no understanding how he has the nerve.

Why do you say Starmer supported policies which male rapists were locked up with females? As far a I am aware this is completely untrue. The Karen White case took place in 2017 in England when Starmer was neither DPP nor in government and the Isla Bryson case took place in Scotland in 2023, which was under Scottish jurisdiction. tbh I'm not aware of any other cases. Also at the time that Mandelson was appointed, the Epstein files had not been released. He was advised that Mandelson was known to Epstein but that he'd had no contact since Epstein's conviction. If he's guilty of anything, it's trusting his advisors had done the necessary checking.

Allira

Really?!
Are they being brainwashed?

Is this a real question? Some are brainwashed be it by religion/propoganda/a man. Some feel that media is overplaying how bad things are. Some just straight up hate women including themselves.

The end result is turkeys voting for a turkey on every table.

Starmer supported policies which locked male rapists up with females, and appointed Mandelsson known at the time for his association with epstien to a position within government. I have absolutely no understanding how he has the nerve.

I don't think they do.

"Reform UK’s plans to repeal the Equality Act are “shocking” and un-British, Keir Starmer has said, warning legislation that has provided decades of protection for women would be ripped up.

In a pre-recorded interview with BBC Breakfast, the prime minister said the legislation was British at its core and represented “basic values”, before arguing Reform wanted to send women back to the “old days” when they were not treated equally." Guardian 19.02.26

I just wonder how many people really understand the difference the Equalities Act has made to millions of us in the UK.

But how to get the message out, through the filter of MSM?

Farage is following his hero Trump in making women second class citizens.

Banning abortion and telling women their place is to have babies before they're thirty and stay at home to look after them thus freeing up the workplace for men.
The equalities act would go as well which favours men.
If women are aware of these policies would they still vote for Reform.

Chocolatelovinggran

There are so many heartbreaking stories of pregnant women being denied life-saving healthcare. I think lots of people don't realise the implications of certain policies they support. You don't have to be a fan of abortions to see that sometimes they are necessary as the alternative is worse.

Really?!
Are they being brainwashed?

Allira

^"Hegseth invited Christian nationalist Doug Wilson to preach at Pentagon^
The self-described “paleo-Confederate” has argued that wives should submit to their husbands, women should be denied the vote and Christian enslavers were on “firm scriptural ground.”

Good luck with that one!

Perhaps his maths isn't good enough to tell him that approximately half of voters are women.

Far too many of those women vote against their own best interest, and a large amount vote whatever their husband tells them to. Many more just don’t vote.

Relying on women in America to stand up for other women isn’t not a solid plan. There just aren’t enough of the ones who will.

I know, but lots of women have voted for Trump. Some GNs are firm in their support of Reform.

Google SAVE act and get horrified

foxie48

I have no idea what can be done against the overwhelming far right propaganda. If people don't have the will or energy to look into details and apply critical thinking, then of course they'll be taken in by cheap slogans that offer simple "solutions". I think we need similar simple messages on the left. "Tax wealth not work" for example is not heard enough.

Overall, women voted at higher rates than men. Turnout was particularly high in Arizona, Colorado, the District of Columbia, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin; in these states, women within the voter population voted at rates of roughly 58-71%. Notably, six of the twelve female governors in the US were in these states.

www.lwv.org/blog/report-women-voters-numbers

"Hegseth invited Christian nationalist Doug Wilson to preach at Pentagon
The self-described “paleo-Confederate” has argued that wives should submit to their husbands, women should be denied the vote and Christian enslavers were on “firm scriptural ground.”

Good luck with that one!

Perhaps his maths isn't good enough to tell him that approximately half of voters are women.

Women's rights are under threat in many ways in the USA now.
Due to the draconian rules around termination of pregnancy, women have died of sepsis in some states, because doctors may not operate on an incomplete miscarriage if there is a fetal heart.
The newest suggestion is that women crossing state lines should be checked regarding a potential pregnancy, to prevent a medical procedure being sought in a different region.
This is, of course, utterly impossible to enforce - people cross state borders frequently, to work, to shop, and to attend events, and how " pregnancy status" might be confirmed could prove tricky.
However, it reflects the thinking of some people in power there.