Former Prince Andrew has just been arrested in Norfolk

I have quite a lot of sympathy for those who serve powerful people whether it is royalty or celebrity, I think the pressure to meet their needs must be indescribable.

Interesting tit bit.

The King has ordered that the police must have access to all files and records within Buckingham Palace.

However, it has left palace staff extremely nervous at the knowledge that they were aware of Windsors proclivities and subsequent actions, but turned a blind eye and took no action.

In my opinion working for the royal family where absolute discretion is insisted upon, means that it would have been incredibly difficult to “whistleblow”.

Before the press fly off down this alleyway, they should look at those who did indeed have the power to stop Windsor and apparently failed to do so.

Grammaretto

Didn't Harry and Meghan insist that their DC had titles?
Another entitled couple. I see a theme here of the Spare son.

Titles are used far less amongst ordinary people thank goodness. If you have a PHD you aren't going to be introduced at a party as a doctor.
Or if they call for a doctor on a flight, the PHDs aren't going to rush to the scene
😉

On the death of Queen Elizabeth II The Sussex children became grandchildren of the monarch and thus entitled to the Prince and Princess title.

Whilst the late Queen was alive, they had no such entitlement. So all Meghan Markle's posturing and moaning to Oprah Winfrey that the RF had "refused" to make Archie a Prince was utter nonsense.

Didn't Harry and Meghan insist that their DC had titles?
Another entitled couple. I see a theme here of the Spare son.

Titles are used far less amongst ordinary people thank goodness. If you have a PHD you aren't going to be introduced at a party as a doctor.
Or if they call for a doctor on a flight, the PHDs aren't going to rush to the scene
😉

David49

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AMW's "antics with women" allegedly led him to have sex with women who were trafficked, so we are aware that not all, if any, may not have been "willing". Having sex with a person who has been trafficked is a crime and ignorance that they were trafficked is not a defence."

There are thousands of workers in the UK that have been trafficked many of them sex workers, your town has trafficked workers, that you and your families the advantage of. All those who cross the channel in small boats are trafficked I'm sure many of them have been abused or enslaved, are we going to jail all those who has benefitted in ignorance.

Indeed, as pointed out upthread, you are confusing two different crimes.

Human trafficking involves exploiting men, women or children for the purposes of forced labour or commercial sexual exploitation.

Human smuggling involves the provision of a service -typically transportation or fraudulent documents - to an individual who voluntarily seeks to gain illegal entry into a foreign country.

All I know is, is that if I were William, having seen what's happened to my father with a very difficult, troublesome younger brother, I'd be giving Harry an even wider berth.

I'm not suggesting anything like the same behaviour, but honestly, it's not worth the grief, any grief.

Allira

I've earned my title.
It was not hereditary.

Me too.

David49

"
AMW's "antics with women" allegedly led him to have sex with women who were trafficked, so we are aware that not all, if any, may not have been "willing". Having sex with a person who has been trafficked is a crime and ignorance that they were trafficked is not a defence."

There are thousands of workers in the UK that have been trafficked many of them sex workers, your town has trafficked workers, that you and your families the advantage of. All those who cross the channel in small boats are trafficked I'm sure many of them have been abused or enslaved, are we going to jail all those who has benefitted in ignorance.

Dear oh dear, you are confusing people smuggling with human trafficking, maybe that's intentional or just plain ignorance. There is a difference in the legal definition of these terms and you are using trafficking to cover both.

Rosie51

Could be professor, or a military title, or a religious title, very many are earned by effort and service.

Indeed - earned unlike those being discussed here. It’s just daft isn’t it?

Could be professor, or a military title, or a religious title, very many are earned by effort and service.

Allira

I've earned my title.
It was not hereditary.

Oops I’ve forgotten Dr. Is that yours?

I've earned my title.
It was not hereditary.

It’s bonkers isn’t it ? 21st century, modern society and there are discussions like this about titles and who’s called what. Mr. Mrs, Miss, Ms would do

I think it is fluid. George VIs sibling were princes/princesses and so were there children (Princess Alexandra, Prince Micahel of Kent, Duke of Kent etc).

Because they are/were grandchildren of the Monarch, George V.

I think it is fluid. George VIs sibling were princes/princesses and so were there children (Princess Alexandra, Prince Micahel of Kent, Duke of Kent etc).

I think that in principle that still applies Prince Harry's children did not become Prince and Princess until the late ueen Elizabeth died.

However, even though if a child is entitled to be prine or Princess, their parents can choose not to take the title and this seems to be the norm these days, Princess Annes and Prince Edwards's children are not and I understand effots were made to dissuade AMW from insisting his children had the titles 'Princess' , efforts made without success.

I think only the children of the monarch or of the next in line of succession are automatically princes or princesses.

Doesn’t the fact that the children are a direct bloodline from the monarch automatically make them prince/princess?

Grammaretto

Why are B and E princesses?
Their cousins aren't apart from Charles' DGC.
Just another reminder of A's entitlement.

B&E are Princesse because AMW lobbied for them to be princesses. Princess Anne and the Duke of Edinburgh(Prince Edward) made the decision not to have their children given Princess/Prince titles.

No, they are not although a small proportion are trafficked

How interesting, what is this proprtion please?

Was Richard 111 the last member of the House of York? Or I suppose Henry V11’s wife was. Elizabeth? Ought to look it up really, but watching The Pumpkin Eaters😊

Why are B and E princesses?
Their cousins aren't apart from Charles' DGC.
Just another reminder of A's entitlement.

Maremia

Didn't know that, about the girls not being able to inherit.

They are still Princesses of York!
Confusing.

Didn't know that, about the girls not being able to inherit.

Calendargirl

Maremia

If the proposed bill gets through, to remove AMW from the line if succession, will the other Commonwealth countries concerned agree,
and
will the Princesses also lose their ranking?

Apparently, The House Of York still stands, and so no, Bea and Eugenie would still be princesses.

The House of York ceased to exist centuries ago.

Duke of York is a title accorded usually to the second son of a Monarch but cannot be inherited by daughters.
It reverts to the Crown and possibly no-one would want to be granted it in future.

Thanks Calendargirl