Former Prince Andrew has just been arrested in Norfolk

Some posters should stop pretending that A’s mother was just like all other mothers. She was head of state first and foremost and if she couldn’t hack that, she should have abdicated . She also had huge personnel resources and access to information about what A was up to. She protected and enabled him and bankrolled him. She was a poor mother and a poor head of state. What exactly is her legacy? This current shitshow?

She was obtaining money from Epstein in exchange for introducing people to Andrew,

25Avalon

What about his wife? I reckon she got him involved with Epstein in the first place as part of her money grabbing ways, and Epstein certainly knew how to play on Andrew’s, shall we call it weakness.

I don’t think so, because Andrew said in his interview with Emily Maitless in 2019 that he had known Ghislaine Maxwell since her university days in London, which was before he was dating Sarah Ferguson.

Allira

^Oh my goodness, how easily fooled you are.^

Tuliptree if you have such inside knowledge, should you be discussing this on a public forum?

If this should go to trial, it could prove prejudicial.
I'm sure none of us want that.

How ridiculous - the RF aren’t on trial, mores the pity.

Elegran

Sons do not always tell their mothers every detail of their private life, particularly if is disreputable or illegal. Not even when they are in trouble and need financial help from mother to pay gambling debts or blackmail demands.

That’s true and many sons don’t tell their Mothers anything at all, other than what they want to hear.
Andrew was the favourite son by all accounts and few Mothers believe they act badly unless they see it with their own eyes.

Oh my goodness, how easily fooled you are.

Tuliptree if you have such inside knowledge, should you be discussing this on a public forum?

If this should go to trial, it could prove prejudicial.
I'm sure none of us want that.

25Avalon

What about his wife? I reckon she got him involved with Epstein in the first place as part of her money grabbing ways, and Epstein certainly knew how to play on Andrew’s, shall we call it weakness.

Or shall we ssy utter stupidity

Oreo
I think you’re absolutely right, and there’s no reason at all that any of his family knew anything about his personal life, emails and dealings.He would have made sure it was all ultra private.

That assumes a level of intelligence that he is completely and so obviously completely incapable of eg he would not have lied on national TV. Oh my goodness, how easily fooled you are. No wonder the RF get away with it all.

What about his wife? I reckon she got him involved with Epstein in the first place as part of her money grabbing ways, and Epstein certainly knew how to play on Andrew’s, shall we call it weakness.

Iam64

Ghislaine Maxwell is well drawn by MOnica but as is often pointed out, the one in prison. There’s so much more to be investigated and verified
Sex, drugs, murky business dealings, totally corrupt politicians and child abuse .

Psychologically damaged by her father who created someone perfect for manipulation by Epstein and his criminal activities.

Casdon

I’m not an enabler Tuliptree, I have no time whatsoever for criminal activity, whoever it is coming from. What I am is a realist with enough experience to know that when people are engaging in illicit behaviour they make every attempt to cover their tracks, particularly if it is high stakes.

I think you’re absolutely right, and there’s no reason at all that any of his family knew anything about his personal life, emails and dealings.He would have made sure it was all ultra private.

You hear loud laughter Tuliptree ? best see your doctor

Maremia

About this issue of keeping records, I remember a detail in a newspaper article about Maxwell, might have been on her on her father's yacht after he went overboard. She was young at the time, but had taken charge, and was busy shedding his papers.
Wonder why she didn't try to do the same for Epstein?

Because all the data for a thriving business was there needing a new CEO, and she now had the maturity to do other than shred it?

Sons do not always tell their mothers every detail of their private life, particularly if is disreputable or illegal. Not even when they are in trouble and need financial help from mother to pay gambling debts or blackmail demands.

we fawn and supplicate and they laugh snd laugh and laugh

You may fawn and supplicate to you heart's content, most of us don't because we are realists.

Have you heard them laugh and laugh and laugh?
Do you work for the Firm and have inside knowledge?

About this issue of keeping records, I remember a detail in a newspaper article about Maxwell, might have been on her on her father's yacht after he went overboard. She was young at the time, but had taken charge, and was busy shedding his papers.
Wonder why she didn't try to do the same for Epstein?

Ok. Justify this

Key Legal Exemptions for the Monarch:
Sovereign Immunity: The King cannot be prosecuted or sued in court, nor can he be arrested.
Anti-Discrimination Laws: The Royal Household is exempt from laws covering race, sex, and equal pay discrimination.
Equality Act 2010: Staff cannot bring claims for discrimination, such as equal pay or disability, against the household.
Health & Safety and Environmental Laws: The Crown is exempt from various environmental regulations, planning permissions, and health and safety inspections.
Freedom of Information (FOI) Acts: The Royal Household is not considered a public authority and is exempt from FOI requests.
Taxes: The monarch is not legally required to pay income tax, capital gains tax, or inheritance tax, though the Queen (and now King) have voluntarily paid income tax since 1993.

Casdon

I’m not an enabler Tuliptree, I have no time whatsoever for criminal activity, whoever it is coming from. What I am is a realist with enough experience to know that when people are engaging in illicit behaviour they make every attempt to cover their tracks, particularly if it is high stakes.

I think most people really underestimate totally the power and reach and sheer ruthlessness of the RF. That proves how incredibly successful they are and how gullible many of us are. We let them have huge tax advantages, we let them not be subject to the laws we are subject to , we fawn and supplicate and they laugh snd laugh and laugh

I think Epstein was also a 'business' man, but on the wrong side of the Law.

I’m not an enabler Tuliptree, I have no time whatsoever for criminal activity, whoever it is coming from. What I am is a realist with enough experience to know that when people are engaging in illicit behaviour they make every attempt to cover their tracks, particularly if it is high stakes.

Ghislaine Maxwell is well drawn by MOnica but as is often pointed out, the one in prison. There’s so much more to be investigated and verified
Sex, drugs, murky business dealings, totally corrupt politicians and child abuse .

Casdon

Businesses don’t have access to personal accounts, and Andrew used what looks very much like his personal email account to contact Epstein. Whether he did that for any dodgy dealings with others we don’t know. I’m sure the Queen knew of his business dealings, but I doubt if she or any of his siblings had access to his personal dealings.

I can’t believe he had a whole secret life but that narrative suits his enablers and protectors.

Businesses don’t have access to personal accounts, and Andrew used what looks very much like his personal email account to contact Epstein. Whether he did that for any dodgy dealings with others we don’t know. I’m sure the Queen knew of his business dealings, but I doubt if she or any of his siblings had access to his personal dealings.

M0nica

What is missing from this discussion and others is the role Ghislaine Maxwell in Epstein's rise and fall.

Ghislaine is the younget of Robert Maxwell's children, and his favourite - and while this has led to discussions about her being drawn to ruthless men. I think more important is her knowledge of his ways of winning business by building up files and using every crooked method, from blackmail to physical threats and bullying.

Robert Maxwell had the same Teflon coating Prince Andrew had. He was known to be a crook, In 1970 after an enquiry into a company he ran, there was government enquiry and it was formally said that he should not ever be allowed to be a directorof apublic company again, yet he was within about 5 years. Ghislain knew his methods and she knew how to work with ruthless devious men.

I think she was much more than Epstein's Madame, She was also a very good advisor on how to draw people into her master's web so that they did not know they were in it until too late. She learned from her father and shared his methods with Epstein. AMW was a ig fat pig gambolling to slaughter. An academic low flyer and stupid as well, arrogant, entitled and greedy, Ghislain knew exactly how such men were drawn in and trapped.

None of that excuses AMW or the senior royals who knew snd protected him.

What is missing from this discussion and others is the role Ghislaine Maxwell in Epstein's rise and fall.

Ghislaine is the younget of Robert Maxwell's children, and his favourite - and while this has led to discussions about her being drawn to ruthless men. I think more important is her knowledge of his ways of winning business by building up files and using every crooked method, from blackmail to physical threats and bullying.

Robert Maxwell had the same Teflon coating Prince Andrew had. He was known to be a crook, In 1970 after an enquiry into a company he ran, there was government enquiry and it was formally said that he should not ever be allowed to be a directorof apublic company again, yet he was within about 5 years. Ghislain knew his methods and she knew how to work with ruthless devious men.

I think she was much more than Epstein's Madame, She was also a very good advisor on how to draw people into her master's web so that they did not know they were in it until too late. She learned from her father and shared his methods with Epstein. AMW was a ig fat pig gambolling to slaughter. An academic low flyer and stupid as well, arrogant, entitled and greedy, Ghislain knew exactly how such men were drawn in and trapped.