Former Prince Andrew has just been arrested in Norfolk

Whitewavemark2

Oh just read the thread🫢 apologies to tuliptree

I didn’t think about the bit that if he’s cooperating they didn’t need to arrest yet. But the comparison with A just underlines the fact that if A is charged he’ll never plead guilty.

I think the case against Mandelsson will be more complex and wide-ranging, Gordon Brown is apparently acting as a modern day Sherlock Holmes and supplying the police with information.
Browns wife has been a consistent supporter of women's rights, I imagine they are utterly disgusted with mandelssons behaviour.

Allira, I wonder if the brother will go ahead with the exhumation? He doesn't believe that Epstein committed suicide. That would also put to bed the 'Epstein is alive' theory, unless there is a 'How to get to Heaven' twist.

Oh just read the thread🫢 apologies to tuliptree

eazybee Mandelson is being investigated. His property has been searched and stuff taken away, and he is “cooperating” with the police - thus no arrest, unlike Windsor who refused to cooperate. Entitled git.

Good. I am pleased to hear it, and just hope, that as happens with so many things involving parliament, it does not simply disappear into the long grass.

David what part of ‘the investigation is still ongoing’ do you not understand?

Allira

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but the possibility that he is still alive and how was explained to me recently.

That's a new theory, as they had a body in the cell it seems a bit of a stretch.

Tuliptree

David - the investigations into the whole disgusting trafficking etc is still ongoing. Or did you hope it was finished and you could rest happy in believing that VG and other women/girls were just money grubbing liars? I suppose I can imagine some people wanting to believe in that version of the world .

You are acting a Judge Jury and executioner, maybe you don't believe in justice

I challenged you to show evidence of the accusations of sex trafficking and you haven't.
Guilt by association and being a complete fool is not illegal as far as I know.

Just how much material in the confidential documents case proves his guilt of that we will see, currently it doesn't look good for him.

Thanks for the clarification Casdon.

To clarify, there are two processes taking place. A criminal investigation, and a parliamentary investigation into Mandelson’s appointment as Ambassador.

Tuliptree

Yet again false information on this thread. Mandelson IS being investigated by the Met for misconduct in public office. They have already executed a search warrant. Obviously we have no idea how the investigation is going. As for his title, its removal requires an act of Parliament, just as one is needed to remove A from the line of succession. Personally I’d make both houses sit for a few extra days over Easter and rush through both acts and throw Mone in at the same time.

I agree on all counts 👍

For those who are not up to speed, the release of the files on the appointment of Mandelson has been sanctioned, and is imminent. There are up to 100,000 documents, and so far it has taken two weeks so far to gather all the relevant information. In fairness to the Cabinet Office, they can’t work miracles.

As discussed before on Gransnet, it is a very difficult process, and not in Starmer’s gift, to remove Mandelson’s title. To fully remove a life peerage, Parliament must pass specific legislation, similar to the Titles Deprivation Act 1917, which was used to remove titles from those who supported enemy nations during wartime.

Yet again false information on this thread. Mandelson IS being investigated by the Met for misconduct in public office. They have already executed a search warrant. Obviously we have no idea how the investigation is going. As for his title, its removal requires an act of Parliament, just as one is needed to remove A from the line of succession. Personally I’d make both houses sit for a few extra days over Easter and rush through both acts and throw Mone in at the same time.

* Tuliptree* change is coming and not before time.

Staying in a known paedophiles home must have affected some of these protection officers.

Starmer! Sorry.

Granniesunite

I think in the past senior police officers in the met were “conflicted” as to “bending the rules “ re what the wealthy,politicians royalty etc were up too. Perhaps some of it will be documented somewhere?

I’m not sure that is the case now as they themselves can be held accountable for misconduct by the public.

And rightly so.

There has been a sea change I believe with the police. And especially now the investigations are not solely in the hands of the Met. Over the years the Met have refused to investigate him properly despite several referrals but the making public of the emails in this instance has really shifted the scene. What needs to happen now is for the royal protection officers to not be part of the Met and for them to be trained as to who they are there to serve ultimately and who indeed pays their wages. Of course make sure that the people they are protecting are safe but that doesn’t include staying in a convicted paedophiles home so that A can do who knows what or going with ‘Ptincesses’ on a gap year

eazybee

When is Peter Mandelson's title going to be removed? (I am aware it is apparently a lengthy process.)

When is Peter Mandelson going to be investigated?

When is Keir Starmer's decision to appoint him going to be investigated? (Much comment on how Charles and the royal family knew what Andrew was up to (apparently) and should have prevented it,. Equally, this also applies to Starmer.)

When all that happens start a thread on it.

Tbh I thought stammer had already been pulled over the coals for this and members of his
team resigned!

Mandelson soon I’d think.

Maremia

My goodness, what a waste of 12 million pounds, from the Windsors' point of view.
Paid out, for no reason, to a young woman nobody knew.

No, from the Windsors’ point of view it was paid to prevent it going to court, where all sorts of stuff might have surfaced which could have been ‘detrimental to the Crown’, regardless of whether or not it was true.
I think Virginia Giuffré’s lawyers would have known that a settlement was highly likely, so would have encouraged her to pursue the case, then accept the settlement, thereby ensuring a large commission for them.
If indeed he is charged with the public office misdemeanour, it will not be seen as entirely separate from the sex trafficking issue, which is certain to be mentioned in any trial, and that’s why I think he will be strongly advised to plead guilty to avoid trial, and perhaps get a reduced sentence.

eazybee

When is Peter Mandelson's title going to be removed? (I am aware it is apparently a lengthy process.)

When is Peter Mandelson going to be investigated?

When is Keir Starmer's decision to appoint him going to be investigated? (Much comment on how Charles and the royal family knew what Andrew was up to (apparently) and should have prevented it,. Equally, this also applies to Starmer.)

Totally agree 👍

The Royals have always tried to cover up for rogue family members of whom there have been a few through history. A prince who was a spy for Germany for instance.
They hoped the Andrew problem would go away if they paid up.
There has been no choice for them now but to distance themselves from Andrew and leave him to face the consequences of his misdeeds.

I think in the past senior police officers in the met were “conflicted” as to “bending the rules “ re what the wealthy,politicians royalty etc were up too. Perhaps some of it will be documented somewhere?

I’m not sure that is the case now as they themselves can be held accountable for misconduct by the public.

And rightly so.

When is Peter Mandelson's title going to be removed? (I am aware it is apparently a lengthy process.)

When is Peter Mandelson going to be investigated?

When is Keir Starmer's decision to appoint him going to be investigated? (Much comment on how Charles and the royal family knew what Andrew was up to (apparently) and should have prevented it,. Equally, this also applies to Starmer.)

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but the possibility that he is still alive and how was explained to me recently.

Maremia

Interesting thought Allira, if he is dead.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I do actually think it’s not unreasonable to believe he was murdered.