Former Prince Andrew has just been arrested in Norfolk

Andrew was arrested following a complaint made by the anti- monarchy group Republic concerning his misconduct in Public Office. This puts a slightly different complexion on the matter.

It will be a difficult allegation to prove, but will serve to blacken Andrew's name , and by association, the royal family.

Mollygo

Rosie51

Charles wasn't King when Andrew was sacked as Trade Envoy.
Don't know why we bother with the legal processes when we could just listen to a self appointed judge, jury and executioner.

"O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us!"

How would any of us like the family dirty laundry being aired on the world stage? I hope the evidence is there and rock solid if Andrew is guilty (and it is looking probable), but his wider family being subjected to the vitriolic musings of 'those that know' is abhorrent.

True, but the media will extract every bit of screen time available to repeat the same stuff ad infinitum.
And speculating and washing anyone else’s dirty laundry is a way of life for millions who wouldn’t dream of airing their own.

Many families have "Black Sheep" I know a few, it must hurt the others but you get on with life and the wrongdoer serves his penalty.

That seems to be what Charles is doing, whatever he says or does is not going to help

I agree, MOnica.

M0nica

There are two separate lines of enuiry in the Epstein/AMW case.

One is that Epstein was a sexually debauched man and had a preference for nubile young girls, and had the money to indulge such tastes and share it with his friends. AMW is accused with joining him at his sex parties and having sex with underage girls.

The second thread is that Epstein was also a very wealthy man and as immoral financially as he was sexually. AMW passed sensitive business information on to him that he had only received because he was trade representative for this country, wheeled out when the Foreign Office knew having a member of the RF somewhere could clinch a business deal.

The case for sharing commercially sensitive information is quite separate from the sexual case and I do get fed up with the way people keep conflating them. The police force dealing with the commercial side are not involved in the sex exploitation, nor are the police forces in the sexploitation case dealing with the commercial side.

Of the two threads I think the sexual one is the weakest, Virginia Giuffre was 17 when we are told she had sex with AMW in the UK. That was not illegal as 16 is the age of consent here. In the USA the age of consent varies from state to state and I do not think that any man taking part in some sexual event could be expected to check which state, what age of consent and was the girl he fancied above that figure. The evidence may be there, but the uestion is will stand up in court.and I doubt it.

At the commercial level then I do think the evidence is there to convict AMW. We know what government department sent commercially sensitive information to AMW and when it was passed on to Epstein. The paper trail is there.

I do not think it beyond the bounds of probability that AMW could well be convicted for commercial offences and spend time in prison on the commercial case.

Virginia Guiffre claim was that she was trafficked, there is no age of consent consideration if a person is trafficked.

petra

Witzend

Dh said he heard someone on R4 this afternoon, saying that apparently Charles hadn’t wanted Andrew to be appointed Trade Envoy (presumably because he knew all too well that he wasn’t up to it) - it was the Queen who thought it a good idea.

And Blair and Mandelson.
It was probably mandelson who gave him some good connections 😉 Obviously that’s just my opinion.

It will be interesting to see if you’re right there. I haven’t heard of any suggested direct link between Mandelson and Andrew, but it is a possibility.

There are two separate lines of enuiry in the Epstein/AMW case.

One is that Epstein was a sexually debauched man and had a preference for nubile young girls, and had the money to indulge such tastes and share it with his friends. AMW is accused with joining him at his sex parties and having sex with underage girls.

The second thread is that Epstein was also a very wealthy man and as immoral financially as he was sexually. AMW passed sensitive business information on to him that he had only received because he was trade representative for this country, wheeled out when the Foreign Office knew having a member of the RF somewhere could clinch a business deal.

The case for sharing commercially sensitive information is quite separate from the sexual case and I do get fed up with the way people keep conflating them. The police force dealing with the commercial side are not involved in the sex exploitation, nor are the police forces in the sexploitation case dealing with the commercial side.

Of the two threads I think the sexual one is the weakest, Virginia Giuffre was 17 when we are told she had sex with AMW in the UK. That was not illegal as 16 is the age of consent here. In the USA the age of consent varies from state to state and I do not think that any man taking part in some sexual event could be expected to check which state, what age of consent and was the girl he fancied above that figure. The evidence may be there, but the uestion is will stand up in court.and I doubt it.

At the commercial level then I do think the evidence is there to convict AMW. We know what government department sent commercially sensitive information to AMW and when it was passed on to Epstein. The paper trail is there.

I do not think it beyond the bounds of probability that AMW could well be convicted for commercial offences and spend time in prison on the commercial case.

Smintie

I suspect, without proof, that he has been arrested for this as an ‘in’ on other charges.

He will plea bargain, other names, dates and evidence, of mid level criminal activity related to Epstein. They will plea bargain in turn and eventually, the majority of the sorry mess will be uncovered.
AMW will get a suspended sentence for treachery and live a broken life.

We don’t do plea bargains in UK, but pleading guilty early can sometimes result in shorter sentences.

Smintie

I suspect, without proof, that he has been arrested for this as an ‘in’ on other charges.

He will plea bargain, other names, dates and evidence, of mid level criminal activity related to Epstein. They will plea bargain in turn and eventually, the majority of the sorry mess will be uncovered.
AMW will get a suspended sentence for treachery and live a broken life.

You’ve got a crystal ball then?

Cossy

Oreo

He hasn’t been arrested on anything to do with underage or trafficked women as some people seem to think.

I don’t think “some people” don’t know WHY he’s been arrested.

I think “some people” feel it’s a pity he’s not being held accountable for other acts and potential crimes too.

For me, if he’s found guilty of the misconduct crimes and is duly punished I’ll be happy, however I’ll never ever forget what an absolute entitled, arrogant sleazebag he is!

No need to get snippy with me!
A few posters made comments which sounded as if they thought he was being arrested for crimes to do with trafficked girls, as do others on other forums and SM generally.

I suspect, without proof, that he has been arrested for this as an ‘in’ on other charges.

He will plea bargain, other names, dates and evidence, of mid level criminal activity related to Epstein. They will plea bargain in turn and eventually, the majority of the sorry mess will be uncovered.
AMW will get a suspended sentence for treachery and live a broken life.

Granniesunite

I’m shocked at the shock being presented by some of news presenters that this person has been arrested.

I’m more shocked that young vulnerable girls were abused and degraded not just by these men but in somecases the general public too who couldn’t or wouldn’t take off the blindfold because of Who was being accused.

It was always going to be moneyor misconductthat would open the doors to justice.

These corrupt powerful men are fooling usthe pubic and laughing in our faces at how easy it is to put on a decent suit and fool the masses.

Delighted to hear the king has responded.

I think the reason it’s money which has prompted the arrest is because evidence will be more easily gathered ( abeit it could take a very long time), and more verifiable, rather than the ‘her word against his’ type evidence of his alleged sexual activities in the company of Epstein.
It’s interesting how things like Virginia Giuffré’s family celebrating, and her brother saying Virginia had been ‘vindicated’ have been reported, when, as far as we know, the arrest is nothing to do with what happened to her.
Now, I think he is a thoroughly despicable person, and I do think he deserves to be punished for whatever he is guilty of, but I think a lot of the public will associate his arrest with the Epstein sex trafficking, so his chances of a fair trial are slim!
That’s why I imagine he’ll be advised to plead guilty.

We are led to believe he was the late Queen's favourite child. Thank goodness she's been spared his latest wrong-doings.
I believe she bailed him out to the tune of many millions shortly before she died, the amount needed to pay off one of the girls he allegedly abused.
If reports are to be believed he's a bad tempered, self-important, entitled grump. A royal totally devoid of grace. Not a pleasant man.
If the accusations he faces regarding the Epstein horrors and the trade secrets scandal prove true, then he's a lot of other things too.

His family must be so embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted. Cannot imagine anyone who might have sympathy for this arrogant, despicable man.

Tuliptree

I think planned events should go ahead and as has been said, this is going to run and run. However they should scale back on some of the more frivolous extravagant aspects of their lives

Which ones are those, Tuliptree? The activities we hear about are the official ones, which are unfrivolous and repetitive Work. From the clues we get to the off-duty private ones they don't seem to be extravagant. In any case they are private and off-duty. Would you like your employer to control how you spent your spare time?

The formal white-tie banquets are for impressing foreign heads of state and dignitaries. They are part of the Work of the RF - risking boredom and indigestion in the service of the nation.

Does my face look bothered. At a guess, yes.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c70kjr9wjw0t

Rosie51

Charles wasn't King when Andrew was sacked as Trade Envoy.
Don't know why we bother with the legal processes when we could just listen to a self appointed judge, jury and executioner.

"O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us!"

How would any of us like the family dirty laundry being aired on the world stage? I hope the evidence is there and rock solid if Andrew is guilty (and it is looking probable), but his wider family being subjected to the vitriolic musings of 'those that know' is abhorrent.

True, but the media will extract every bit of screen time available to repeat the same stuff ad infinitum.
And speculating and washing anyone else’s dirty laundry is a way of life for millions who wouldn’t dream of airing their own.

Witzend

Dh said he heard someone on R4 this afternoon, saying that apparently Charles hadn’t wanted Andrew to be appointed Trade Envoy (presumably because he knew all too well that he wasn’t up to it) - it was the Queen who thought it a good idea.

And Blair and Mandelson.
It was probably mandelson who gave him some good connections 😉 Obviously that’s just my opinion.

Nonny

Off with his head. Wasn't the treacherous brother of Edward the 4th executed by drowning in a vat of Malmsey wine? Perhaps gin would be more suitable here for this truly dreadful man.

On the infamous interview he claimed he didn’t drink.
I think he might start now 😂

Smileless2012

^this is far more significant to the family than the King's and Catherine's cancer^ I very much doubt it.

Yes, as of nothing were his exact words about the cancer. I've just listened again. He obviously doesn't have family members struck by this disease.

12 hours! Sorry.

In 2011 Andrew was sacked as a the UK’s Special Representative for
International Trade and Investment.

I find it hard to believe that this wasn’t fully investigated at the time.

Perhaps it was.

I don’t think there will be a trial. Far too much at stake.

AMW has been released on bail after 22 hours.

Dh said he heard someone on R4 this afternoon, saying that apparently Charles hadn’t wanted Andrew to be appointed Trade Envoy (presumably because he knew all too well that he wasn’t up to it) - it was the Queen who thought it a good idea.

Charles wasn't King when Andrew was sacked as Trade Envoy.
Don't know why we bother with the legal processes when we could just listen to a self appointed judge, jury and executioner.

"O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us!"

How would any of us like the family dirty laundry being aired on the world stage? I hope the evidence is there and rock solid if Andrew is guilty (and it is looking probable), but his wider family being subjected to the vitriolic musings of 'those that know' is abhorrent.

How do people apparently know that the king was monitoring his brother’s emails to Epstein, which came from his private account, not from his envoy account?

this is far more significant to the family than the King's and Catherine's cancer I very much doubt it.