Future of the Monarchy

Anniebach

His comeuppance for ?

Suspicion of misconduct in a public office.

Many of royalty's possessions do not belong to them, as in they are not allowed to sell them or give them away, they are their for future generations and and are frequently available for display and /or access

This can be changed. ‘Royal properties’ are really not there for future generations. There are houses, fully staffed, heated and unoccupied and just sitting there should the royals decide to give them out to their relatives to live in. They are not even available to this generation of the public let alone ‘future generations’.

Let us get full auditing of the properties, the value. The occupants, the income generated or not generated.
Let us get openness of the whole financial situation.
Royal greed is breathtaking at times - I’m sure many saw the recent documentary of how they are making money from our public services and even volunteer agencies.
I would like to see the whole monarchy abolished - but a first step would be to run it down to 1 king or queen, 1 heir. We do not need the extensive children, cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles - all of whom are living in breathtaking splendour and feel their often astonishing accommodation and allowances are fit reward for attending a ballet, fashion show, a hospital, a school, a variety show etc! Really not needed at all.
The vast accommodation and Estates can be put to much better use than as homes for one family.

His comeuppance for ?

I can't.

He is getting his comeuppance.

I never thought I would feel this way about Andrew but the photograph of him in the back of the car that is doing the rounds made me feel sorry for him. He looks so shocked and defeated like a cornered animal.

Don't get me wrong, I am still utterly disgusted by the way he has behaved and lied but I can't help but feel a little pang of sympathy.

vegansrock

No one can think that logically an hereditary system in which a person can be born into a role is in anyway compatible with “democracy”. There are plenty of things that went on for centuries that we don’t do today. An elected head of state could perform the same posing for pictures, shaking hands and waving from balconies as any royal. Ant and Dec could do a double act.

If we have an elected upper House, an elected H of C, Senedd, Scottish Parliament, Mayors, County Councillors, Town Councillors, Parish Councillors etc. it will cost so much and we'll be so fed up we'll be voting for an Absolute Monarch.
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Well, I cannot take your posts seriously, but they are amusing 😂😂😂

No one can think that logically an hereditary system in which a person can be born into a role is in anyway compatible with “democracy”. There are plenty of things that went on for centuries that we don’t do today. An elected head of state could perform the same posing for pictures, shaking hands and waving from balconies as any royal. Ant and Dec could do a double act.

Whitewavemark2

But nothing remains the same for ever, and I do think there will never be a stronger argument than at present for the U.K. to re-visit it’s constitution and decide what we want as a country going forward.

It doesn't stay the same. We don't have an Absolute Monarchy any more.
We have a Monarch and family who are keen to support charities and have set up initiatives to support people rather than hide away at Balmoral.
We have checks and balances in the system which prevents any one person seizing absolute power.

But nothing remains the same for ever, and I do think there will never be a stronger argument than at present for the U.K. to re-visit it’s constitution and decide what we want as a country going forward.

vegansrock

If you were starting a new nation from scratch you would not think of installing a monarchy - which indicates it’s not the best system for the 21st century.

But we're not a new country.

We are a country with centuries of history and tradition.
With its imperfections.

No system is perfect but some are more perfect than others and that, imo, includes our Constitutional Monarchy.

However, the Upper House needs radical change.
Ant and Dec could stand for election to the Upper House 🙂

If you were starting a new nation from scratch you would not think of installing a monarchy - which indicates it’s not the best system for the 21st century.

Indigo8

Caleo

I am sorry--- my response should have been addressed to Indigo, not Galaxy.

Having re-read my comment, I am not aware that I am objecting to anything Caleo:. Please explain what you mean.

The nested quotes confused me, Indigo.

Maremia

Oh good, another little deviation from the point.

Well, I do think it's relevant if those who have thought about the Monarchy and considered the alternatives carefully are then accused of being sycophantic by a republican.

Rosie51

I agree Allira. It's so strange that somebody thinks those that prefer a Constitutional Monarchy are sycophants yet doesn't mind corruption by someone in the SNP, in fact says happy to have their donation used for personal gain. That's sycophantic.

I do think intransigence and cognitive rigidity are unfortunate traits.

It's preferable to consider all options before reaching a conclusion.

Oh good, another little deviation from the point.

I agree Allira. It's so strange that somebody thinks those that prefer a Constitutional Monarchy are sycophants yet doesn't mind corruption by someone in the SNP, in fact says happy to have their donation used for personal gain. That's sycophantic.

Look, paddyann, I know you keep referring to us as peasants and you may refer to yourself as that if you wish, but the rest of us do not.

No, those who have observed and thought through various systems of Government and concluded that a Constitutional Monarchy is better than most alternatives are not syncophants - or rather sycophants.

Why do people think that because a republic didn,t work several hundreds of years ago it won’t work now?
Surely the population is better informed nowadays and an lot of us think monarchs and princes and knights and lords should all have been left in the Middle Ages where the peasants believed they were superior people and had to be put on pedestals.
Now I,m sure a majority know them for the corrupt ,money grabbing ,sex abusers they have been through the ages.
And yes I do know my history and this latest bunch of degenerates is just the newest in a very long line .
There must be a better system ,this one only works for cap tipping knee bending syncophants

King Charles has already begun the 'pruning' task. Harry has taken himself off.
Andrew, and maybe his Princess too, will be 'culled'.
Anne's own children do not have Royal titles.
The process has begun.

However it is true that some individuals are uneducable.
That sound like something from 1930s Germany.

So what do you suggest Caleo

And yes I know the working class go to university before anyone starts.

I couldn't disagree more about university education, there has been over the last few years a growing contempt towards the working class.
Certainly in the last decade there appears to be not a great deal of evidence of critical thinking coming from universities, rather a tendency to follow the latest mantras or trends.

Rosie51

Caleo

Maremia

I think higher education is wonderful, but don't believe it is necessary or even suitable for everyone.
And, wasn't Johnson very highly educated?

Original IQ can be augmented by good teaching. However it is true that some individuals are uneducable.

When everyone is educated to this degree standard do you honestly think anyone is going to want to do rubbish collecting, shop work, hard physical labour, especially given the debt they will be carrying? I think it's very arrogant to condemn people of lower education levels as unintelligent. Intelligence is not the same as formal education. I'm quite sure some other GN posters, like me, don't have this degree of education in those subjects you require. Should I not vote, or am I excused because I voted remain?

I was shocked to read Caleo's post, Rosie51

If I said what I thought it reminded me of, my post would probably be deleted.

Caleo

Maremia

I think higher education is wonderful, but don't believe it is necessary or even suitable for everyone.
And, wasn't Johnson very highly educated?

Original IQ can be augmented by good teaching. However it is true that some individuals are uneducable.

When everyone is educated to this degree standard do you honestly think anyone is going to want to do rubbish collecting, shop work, hard physical labour, especially given the debt they will be carrying? I think it's very arrogant to condemn people of lower education levels as unintelligent. Intelligence is not the same as formal education. I'm quite sure some other GN posters, like me, don't have this degree of education in those subjects you require. Should I not vote, or am I excused because I voted remain?