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Future of the Monarchy

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-Feb-26 12:14:59

I’ve read and listened to a lot of comment and questions concerning the future existence of the monarchy.

Every commentator believes that this is the most serious issue that the monarchy has faced in recent history, and that is existence may well be under threat - not immediately but as information trickles out over the next few months and years.

I do think that our demographic on GN and attitude towards the monarchy is not typical - and looking at the younger generation I suspect the monarchy has a lot more to worry about, because our values of fairness, meritocracy etc simply doesn’t stand up in a monarchical political system.

I think it will be far worse if justice is not seen to be done regarding Windsor, and I will not be at all surprised if the next generation will sees an end to the monarchy, and certainly young George will never be king.

OldFrill Sat 21-Feb-26 01:09:00

Rosie51

And nurses and police that have lower salaries, and have to work shifts, weekends, bank holidays? Do they not merit a mention? It's disgraceful that anyone in full time employment should have to resort to a foodbank, but that has absolutely nothing to do with us having a Constitutional Monarchy.

I don't think anyone was favouring nurses/teachers they were just an example of sone people who have to use food banks to make ends meet.
Anyway, if the monarchy wasn't creaming off huge sums from the likes of the NHS, charities, schools etc there would be more to go round amongst the poorer mortals. I'd rather the £86million+ they receive from tax payers went to improving the welfare of those who are in need.

King and Prince William’s estates ‘making millions from charities and public services’ | Monarchy | The Guardian share.google/xuCTinfwhDYDwW0GT

Rosie51 Sat 21-Feb-26 00:55:05

And nurses and police that have lower salaries, and have to work shifts, weekends, bank holidays? Do they not merit a mention? It's disgraceful that anyone in full time employment should have to resort to a foodbank, but that has absolutely nothing to do with us having a Constitutional Monarchy.

OldFrill Fri 20-Feb-26 23:45:47

Plenty of reports from teaching unions showing teachers having to use food banks too. ... Google is your friend.

OldFrill Fri 20-Feb-26 23:40:41

Summerlove

Oreo

Are you a teacher or a teaching assistant or another job in a school Jane Judge as the salaries in ‘education’ vary widely.
Teachers do not require food banks, neither do nurses.

I think you’d be shocked how many do require food banks. Through no fault of their own.

Your attitude towards people using assistance is really quite appalling.

Not only are NHS workers, Including Nurses, having to use food banks but many NHS trusts are now setting up their own food banks for their workforce.

NHS Charities Support Food Banks for the Health Workforce | NHS Charities Together share.google/no1cV80fePUEKPRjz

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 23:03:55

Well I must admit to be bring really confused. If A had such a great career in the RN how come he made such a bad job of being a trade envoy straight afterwards and then just of being a man when he was sacked from that? Somehow this just doesn’t add up.

Summerlove Fri 20-Feb-26 22:47:57

Oreo

Are you a teacher or a teaching assistant or another job in a school Jane Judge as the salaries in ‘education’ vary widely.
Teachers do not require food banks, neither do nurses.

I think you’d be shocked how many do require food banks. Through no fault of their own.

Your attitude towards people using assistance is really quite appalling.

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 22:38:02

Goodness petra - you’re brave. Criticising St Andrew

petra Fri 20-Feb-26 22:24:53

butterandjam

@SORES
*Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands.

He served in the Navy for 22 years.

22 years too long according to real serving officers.

Samwam Fri 20-Feb-26 22:22:29

StoneofDestiny

The monarchy needs to go. It is a massive anachronism.

It's appalling to think that anybody, simply by being born into a particular family, can find themselves subsidised by the taxpayers in an extraordinary position of wealth and privilege for life, and can guarantee the same for their children.

The extraordinary battery of financial privileges they are given comes with an ability to hide their wealth from the taxpaying public. The Queen/King and their partners can pass on their wealth free of inheritance tax. They can keep their Wills private. No other member of the public can do that. As for the number of these independently wealthy multimillionaires paying peppercorn rents for mansions - outrageous, and all happening in front of us while we complain about the state of public finances, the decline of the NHS, the underfunding of schools, the in-repaired potholes etc.

The sheer arrogance of the royals saying 'never complain, never explain' is exactly why some of them have been able to get away with the offensive behaviour they have. They have nothing to complain about and everything to explain.
The problem is our media are so keen to get a picture of Kate in her latest dress they feel obliged to keep silent about certain things so as not to be expelled from the press pack at events.

We watched Philip turn up to every public event he looked pained to be at, only to insult the people less privileged than him or from a different culture or country. We were expected to tolerate his obnoxious behaviour with 'that's just Philip's way'. He was a national embarrassment.

We are now watching sheer royal corruption exposed by the Epstein Files. Look at the lavish lifestyle Andrew and Fergie enjoyed without a job between them. Look at how we had to pay excessive amounts in security to watch his daughters globe trotting at our expense.

Look at how little Kate and William actually do. Yet, as soon as his future lifestyle is threatened, he has become animated and 'concerned'. Why did he not speak up before? Why didn't Charles? Why didn't the Queen? No - she just came up with £12 million to silence the victim of her son. Shameless.

Where was 'all equal before the law', 'the law must take its course'? They are only saying it now because their positions are at risk, because the group 'Republic' made an official complaint to Thames Valley Police. The royals have enabled Andrew by their silence.

I'm tired of hearing about their 'duty', how 'Andrew served in the navy', 'Kate has had cancer', 'the King has cancer'. So have many of us had or have cancer, lost children to cancer, served in the armed forces, worked all our lives in public services, volunteered for good causes as well as working. The difference is non of these ordinary citizens are rewarded with jobs for life, endless mansions, servants, chauffeurs, Nannie's etc We just have to dig deep, and when ill with cancer get back to work before our sick pay runs out.

Nothing has changed in terms of tourism when a royal dies and no job is left undone. In many of our lifetimes, The Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, Princess Diana, Prince Philip,The Queen died. Nothing stopped running, tourism didn't drop off, the clocks didn't stop.People will visit whether the royals are here or not. Many of us have been to Versailles not expecting to see a Queen or King and many similar places across the globe.
We can still have pageantry without the royals - other countries do.

The country can run without Kates new dress display, Williams latest tantrum, the dilemma of what school his kids will go to, the saga of their dogs or what Meghan and Harry did next.

Well Said

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 22:16:23

I’m sure Andrew will have pots of money stashed away in overseas accounts. No way has he ever just existed in a navy pension.

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 22:15:26

Make your mind up Allira - either his service in the Falkland’s was exceptional ( which it wasn’t) or he was like many others who carried on being good men afterwards unlike him. His war service is completely irrelevant

Allira Fri 20-Feb-26 22:01:03

Tuliptree

Yes, I know some of them. However, he was courageous in the Falklands.

That’s not a get out of jail free card is if? Or are you saying all ex -Fslklsnds service people can behave like this?

Not sure how you read things that other posters don't write.
Is it a special power?

Allira Fri 20-Feb-26 21:38:15

Tuliptree

Yes, I know some of them. However, he was courageous in the Falklands.

That’s not a get out of jail free card is if? Or are you saying all ex -Fslklsnds service people can behave like this?

🤔
Nice to have you back 😂

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 21:35:09

Yes, I know some of them. However, he was courageous in the Falklands.

That’s not a get out of jail free card is if? Or are you saying all ex -Fslklsnds service people can behave like this?

Allira Fri 20-Feb-26 21:34:20

Allira

Whitewavemark2

butterandjam

@SORES
*Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands.

He served in the Navy for 22 years.

Apparently unfortunately for those he worked alongside.

Yes, I know some of them. However, he was courageous in the Falklands.

The other thing is - he will not be penniless. He will have been able to draw his RN pension which may be around £20,000 pa plus, shortly, his State pension.
A single man with paid-for accommodation should be able to manage on that, I would think.

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 21:32:12

We are quite capable as a country of choosing our own model for a head of state. One person.

Allira Fri 20-Feb-26 21:31:34

Whitewavemark2

butterandjam

@SORES
*Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands.

He served in the Navy for 22 years.

Apparently unfortunately for those he worked alongside.

Yes, I know some of them. However, he was courageous in the Falklands.

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 21:30:00

there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top

Someone always rises to the top - true. There will always be corruption, green and inequality. There will always be very wealthy people.
That isn't the issue here - the issue is we accept one family and their descendants as fit to 'rule over us', and to represent us. To live with unimaginable wealth and privilege supported by hard working public. A family who dish out that wealth in the form of cheap or free living accommodation to their extended family and have, it seems, countless properties lying around uninhabited while we face a housing and homelessness crisis. This family is allowed to hide behind not just palace walls, but hide their wealth from us in life and in death. At least if we chose our own head of state we would not have to house their extended family, cousins, uncles, grannies etc and fill those houses with servants and guard them with police and security. Most of us complain about not getting the police to attend a burglary - they have police accompanying them on holiday, and to visit convicted child traffickers.

It's about injustice in the end, and not perpetrating an antiquated system that was as unjust in the middle ages as it is now.

Allira Fri 20-Feb-26 21:29:24

Graceless

Why is it that whenever a president is suggested instead of a Monachy the USA is cited as an exa mple of be careful what you wish for. There are plenty of republics that function perfectly well e.g Ireland. Although I do think a change of vting system would be needed

Why is it whenever anyone suggests a Republic would be wonderful, they mention Ireland?

Please, it's just a non-sequitor.
Ireland bears no comparison to the UK.

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 20:36:37

Devorgilla

Whether you abolish the monarchy or not, and no matter what system you devise, there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top. We are only as free as they leave us room to scratch. Most people are happy with that as long as they have a decent life and are treated well.

But they haven’t and they aren’t

Devorgilla Fri 20-Feb-26 20:35:34

Whether you abolish the monarchy or not, and no matter what system you devise, there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top. We are only as free as they leave us room to scratch. Most people are happy with that as long as they have a decent life and are treated well.

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 20:34:34

The RF do a good job at promoting the UK around the world

Really? I think Prince Andrew served himself on that number more than the country. William and Kate did a replay of White Colonialism in Jamaica 2022.It was a public relations calamity and 'tone deaf'. As for Prince Philip's insults to everybody he met.......
If they were doing 'proper jobs' they would have been sacked.

Tuliptree Fri 20-Feb-26 20:29:02

StoneofDestiny

*He served in the Navy for 22 years*

Not on his own he didn't! Thousands of others did.

And many never come back from the Falklands and many came back dreadfully injured

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 20:25:15

He served in the Navy for 22 years

Not on his own he didn't! Thousands of others did.

StoneofDestiny Fri 20-Feb-26 20:22:08

The monarchy needs to go. It is a massive anachronism.

It's appalling to think that anybody, simply by being born into a particular family, can find themselves subsidised by the taxpayers in an extraordinary position of wealth and privilege for life, and can guarantee the same for their children.

The extraordinary battery of financial privileges they are given comes with an ability to hide their wealth from the taxpaying public. The Queen/King and their partners can pass on their wealth free of inheritance tax. They can keep their Wills private. No other member of the public can do that. As for the number of these independently wealthy multimillionaires paying peppercorn rents for mansions - outrageous, and all happening in front of us while we complain about the state of public finances, the decline of the NHS, the underfunding of schools, the in-repaired potholes etc.

The sheer arrogance of the royals saying 'never complain, never explain' is exactly why some of them have been able to get away with the offensive behaviour they have. They have nothing to complain about and everything to explain.
The problem is our media are so keen to get a picture of Kate in her latest dress they feel obliged to keep silent about certain things so as not to be expelled from the press pack at events.

We watched Philip turn up to every public event he looked pained to be at, only to insult the people less privileged than him or from a different culture or country. We were expected to tolerate his obnoxious behaviour with 'that's just Philip's way'. He was a national embarrassment.

We are now watching sheer royal corruption exposed by the Epstein Files. Look at the lavish lifestyle Andrew and Fergie enjoyed without a job between them. Look at how we had to pay excessive amounts in security to watch his daughters globe trotting at our expense.

Look at how little Kate and William actually do. Yet, as soon as his future lifestyle is threatened, he has become animated and 'concerned'. Why did he not speak up before? Why didn't Charles? Why didn't the Queen? No - she just came up with £12 million to silence the victim of her son. Shameless.

Where was 'all equal before the law', 'the law must take its course'? They are only saying it now because their positions are at risk, because the group 'Republic' made an official complaint to Thames Valley Police. The royals have enabled Andrew by their silence.

I'm tired of hearing about their 'duty', how 'Andrew served in the navy', 'Kate has had cancer', 'the King has cancer'. So have many of us had or have cancer, lost children to cancer, served in the armed forces, worked all our lives in public services, volunteered for good causes as well as working. The difference is non of these ordinary citizens are rewarded with jobs for life, endless mansions, servants, chauffeurs, Nannie's etc We just have to dig deep, and when ill with cancer get back to work before our sick pay runs out.

Nothing has changed in terms of tourism when a royal dies and no job is left undone. In many of our lifetimes, The Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, Princess Diana, Prince Philip,The Queen died. Nothing stopped running, tourism didn't drop off, the clocks didn't stop.People will visit whether the royals are here or not. Many of us have been to Versailles not expecting to see a Queen or King and many similar places across the globe.
We can still have pageantry without the royals - other countries do.

The country can run without Kates new dress display, Williams latest tantrum, the dilemma of what school his kids will go to, the saga of their dogs or what Meghan and Harry did next.