Huntley and comeuppance

Iam64

When I worked on a specialist team, alongside police colleagues, I remember a serious discussion about whether if one of our children , or one of us made allegations, would we support prosecution or look to get therapy. Large majority would avoid courts go therapy.
Yes of course we were all working hard for successful prosecutions - vanishingly rare and thst remains the case

I feel the same. Worked in various support roles with the police and the whole legal process is traumatising. I don't blame the police or courts as it can be very hard to prove what happened in a he said she said situation.

When I worked on a specialist team, alongside police colleagues, I remember a serious discussion about whether if one of our children , or one of us made allegations, would we support prosecution or look to get therapy. Large majority would avoid courts go therapy.
Yes of course we were all working hard for successful prosecutions - vanishingly rare and thst remains the case

Galaxy

I just happened across the article dickens, it is just so sad, that all those allegations were there, and if any had been prosecuted ...

We are so concerned with the ridiculous notion that women and children make up accusations that we forget how many sex crimes slip through the net.

Victims of sexual violence know they are often seen as liars. At a rape case I observed, the defence asked the 18-year-old complainant why police had to persuade her to proceed to court. She answered simply: “Because I knew that I was unlikely to be believed, so thought, ‘what’s the point of putting myself through this?”

The comment from the 18 year-old...

Nothing that costs too much, anyway, as presumably the LA or LHA will have to pay.
What happens if no-one ever does claim the ashes of the deceased?

One of those ‘pure’ cremations

MartavTaurus

Nevermind his mother, we know how his daughter is feeling.
She says, no funeral for him, the devil is waiting, and his ashes should be flushed down the toilet.

He'd block the system and the sewers.

An unmarked grave might be better, as long as others didn't have to share it with him.

Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord

Nevermind his mother, we know how his daughter is feeling.
She says, no funeral for him, the devil is waiting, and his ashes should be flushed down the toilet.

I don't think for the families of those lovely girls there can ever be closure. My thoughts are with them and for the family of Huntley, just how is his mother must be feeling.
It shows the state of our prisons when convicted murderers are allowed to make and then use such weapons, have easy access to drugs. The whole system is not fit for purpose.
He is gone now.

Iam64

‘Closure’ - what does this mean? People learn to continue living, or continue to try to live a positive life in the aftermath of traumatic loss. Closure suggests an end, thee isn’t one

I heard radio 4 at one today. They announced his death and played a small piece of his response to journalists before he was arrested. He made comment that it was possible his face was the last friendly face they saw before…. I don’t believe the bbc should have played this, imagine the loved ones, parents hearing him speak. Wrong

They just showed him saying that on the main BBC News.

What are they thinking?
How utterly insensitive.

As I said, whoever decided to broadcast that needs to be disciplined.

Dickens, I’m afraid you’re correct

I just happened across the article dickens, it is just so sad, that all those allegations were there, and if any had been prosecuted ...

My thoughts and prayers too

Galaxy

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This is such a good piece in terms of what we society should be talking about in terms of the likes of Huntley. It is from the time of the crime.

That's a very sobering, and alarming, read Galaxy and I agree with the premise entirely.

Rapists and murderers walk among us, and they do not necessarily fit the fictionalised 'evil' or 'creepy' types often portrayed.

'Evil' is sometimes banal - and it's also sometimes personable...

Women and girls must be listened to. Am I right in thinking that in rape trials, a woman's previous sexual 'history' can be highlighted, but the defendant's previous convictions for sexual assault can't be? I understand the legal logic for the latter - but that logic should also apply to the former, at the very least.

Do you sometimes get the feeling that misogyny, far from being even half way eradicated is, in fact, increasing?

Rosie51

Iam64 that’s awful, who on earth at the BBC thought that was in any way appropriate?

I hope they are disciplined.

Iam64 that’s awful, who on earth at the BBC thought that was in any way appropriate?

Rosie51

While I don't expect any posters to be crying at this news, and I'm not, please don't forget he has a mother who birthed him, nurtured him, and is at a loss to understand what happened to the little boy she loved so much. She has done nothing wrong and will be hurting. Compassion for her costs us nothing.

Yes I agree.

Smileless2012

^Thoughts with the families of Holly and Jessica today^ and Huntley's mother, maybe she'll get some closure too.

My thoughts too.

‘Closure’ - what does this mean? People learn to continue living, or continue to try to live a positive life in the aftermath of traumatic loss. Closure suggests an end, thee isn’t one

I heard radio 4 at one today. They announced his death and played a small piece of his response to journalists before he was arrested. He made comment that it was possible his face was the last friendly face they saw before…. I don’t believe the bbc should have played this, imagine the loved ones, parents hearing him speak. Wrong

ViceVersa

M0nica

AGAA4

Hopefully it will bring closure to the families of the two little girls as they are the only ones who matter.

How can the death of the perpetrator bring 'closure' to the families of the victims? For them 'closure' will only come with their own deaths.

I don't see how anyone can answer that, other than the families themselves. Having interviewed the families of a few murder victims, I think some would find at least a measure of closure at knowing the person who robbed them of their loved one was dead.

We cannot speak for the families of Holly and Jessica as we do not know how they feel about this.

I do agree with Oreo, though
It would help me to know that the killer of my child was no longer breathing, watching tv and playing on his iPad.

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This is such a good piece in terms of what we society should be talking about in terms of the likes of Huntley. It is from the time of the crime.

Huntley's death won't bring closure to their grief as anyone who has lost loved ones knows but they know that he is gone.
How awful for them to know he was living his life even if incarcerated while their girls were dead.

Thoughts with the families of Holly and Jessica today and Huntley's mother, maybe she'll get some closure too.

You'd have to be superhuman not to have felt some revenge in your heart, even if your head tells you it shouldn't have happened that way.

Whichever way it will be painful, as it will bring it all back to those who have found some measure of acceptance. Closure? I doubt it. Perhaps in time moving on? Maybe, it depends on who you are.

M0nica

AGAA4

Hopefully it will bring closure to the families of the two little girls as they are the only ones who matter.

How can the death of the perpetrator bring 'closure' to the families of the victims? For them 'closure' will only come with their own deaths.

I don't see how anyone can answer that, other than the families themselves. Having interviewed the families of a few murder victims, I think some would find at least a measure of closure at knowing the person who robbed them of their loved one was dead.