Huntley and comeuppance

Why does false allegations not merit anger as does the crime?

Well, that’s me told

Iam64

Theworrieedwell, Your focus of anger seems directed towards the small proportion of false allegations, rather than the large number of male rapists.

Some of us have extensive direct experience of working with sex offenders and their victims. I’m more disappointed and surprised that more women are suppprted through trauma and more sex offenders successfully prosecuted. As MOnica points out, fantasists are often identified early in the process

Rubbish. No one thinks rape is acceptable but people dismiss false allegations. Remember every victim is a person with feelings and a life so every one is entitled to the same level of protection just like all perpetrators should be dealt with. I hate the "there aren't that many men falsely accused" attitude.

Of course he must be charged and will be convicted. It’s a real issue in our max security prisons, the safe management of men who have nothing to lose, like Huntley’s killer

Allira

Bazza

I read that Hunter’s killer is already in for life and would never have been released, so just wondering what his punishment will be.

Probably never but who knows if he might have received parole if laws changed in the future.

I he receives a consecutive life sentence for this unrelated crime then that should mean he will never be released.

Maybe that's why there is a lack of trust in our Justice system when violent criminals are sometimes released early?
Maybe even inmates are aware that that could happen so take matters into their own hands? Though I don't think so in the Huntley case.

You can never tell, with Parole.

Bazza

I read that Hunter’s killer is already in for life and would never have been released, so just wondering what his punishment will be.

Probably never but who knows if he might have received parole if laws changed in the future.

I he receives a consecutive life sentence for this unrelated crime then that should mean he will never be released.

I agree with Galaxy. Although it won't make any difference to him, it is right that he is prosecuted just the same. Or maybe we go the American way and sentence him to a second whole life tariff. I believe they can impose multiple consecutive whole life tariffs.

The sentence is meaningless to him in a sense, he is currently on a whole life tariff for the murders he committed, but I don't think it is meaningless in terms of society.

I read that Hunter’s killer is already in for life and would never have been released, so just wondering what his punishment will be.

Good. Dangerous man as was Huntley.

Huntley’s killer has just been charged.

Reading some posts on here, the concern for men, though not entirely unwarranted seems to rate more highly than the concern for female victims.
Is there a reason for this?

Theworrieedwell, Your focus of anger seems directed towards the small proportion of false allegations, rather than the large number of male rapists.

Some of us have extensive direct experience of working with sex offenders and their victims. I’m more disappointed and surprised that more women are suppprted through trauma and more sex offenders successfully prosecuted. As MOnica points out, fantasists are often identified early in the process

Galaxy

It probably demonstrates our complete failure of understanding risk, men are of course many many more times likely to be the victim of rape than they are to be the victim of false accusations.

And I'm sure if you are falsely accused, maybe convicted, that will be a great comfort.

M0nica

Most false allegations fall at the first hurdle. Usually because the physical or chronological evidence just does not stack up. The number of false allegations that go to trial are few. Mistaken identity, I suspect, is more common

Of course men are going to deny rape and families who believe that no man in their family would act like that will be inclined to believe them.

How much police time do you think is wasted getting to that first hurdle? Sad for the innocent ones who end up in prison.

I can't give the details but I know one case where due to the time tied up with a young woman making a false allegation someone else died because there was no one to attend the incident fast enough. What happened to her, she got a telling off.

To be honest I'm surprised more women who make false allegations don't get prosecuted for wasting police time, time that could be used helping real victims.

Most false allegations fall at the first hurdle. Usually because the physical or chronological evidence just does not stack up. The number of false allegations that go to trial are few. Mistaken identity, I suspect, is more common

Of course men are going to deny rape and families who believe that no man in their family would act like that will be inclined to believe them.

It probably demonstrates our complete failure of understanding risk, men are of course many many more times likely to be the victim of rape than they are to be the victim of false accusations.

Iam64

Research consistently points to the region of 2 and 10percent of allegations being false yet that possibility is consistently where many go when allegations are made
Of course thorough investigations are needed. Prosecutions are rare, little wonder when women know they will be doubted and put through a dreadful ordeal if they give evidence.
Look at the way our so called grooming gang victims. Not to mention the vitriol aimed at Epstein’s victims rather than their abusers

None of that alters the fact false allegations are made, innocent men have gone to prison before being exonerated. It wastes money and yes it makes people think "is this real or false.'. Maybe blame the women who make false allegations.

Research consistently points to the region of 2 and 10percent of allegations being false yet that possibility is consistently where many go when allegations are made
Of course thorough investigations are needed. Prosecutions are rare, little wonder when women know they will be doubted and put through a dreadful ordeal if they give evidence.
Look at the way our so called grooming gang victims. Not to mention the vitriol aimed at Epstein’s victims rather than their abusers

Iam64

And how many where the allegations were definitely true?

More than three but the reality is not everyone reports so if I say three that looks like it's equal but in reality it isn't.

Doesn't alter the fact that allegations can be false so that has to be considered. I'm sure you'd want it properly investigated if it was a false allegation against your husband, brother or son.

And how many where the allegations were definitely true?

Iam64

A key issue is The assumption that women and children are likely to make false allegations remain present in society, despite research evidence saying this isn’t so.

It plays out on gransnet regularly. We saw it with the response of many in the early period of discussion into organised sexual abuse of children, girls just going into adolescence. Some posters don’t believe the women making allegations against Epstein. Grooming exploitation and terror imposed on 14 - 16 year olds to ensure long term compliance are often dismissed , as they were with the so called grooming gangs.

The trouble is some do make false allegations. It may be a small number but it makes a difficult situation worse. I know of more than one case where the allegations were definitely false.

In truth, this isn’t about Huntley or his victims - apologies. It warrants its own thread

A key issue is The assumption that women and children are likely to make false allegations remain present in society, despite research evidence saying this isn’t so.

It plays out on gransnet regularly. We saw it with the response of many in the early period of discussion into organised sexual abuse of children, girls just going into adolescence. Some posters don’t believe the women making allegations against Epstein. Grooming exploitation and terror imposed on 14 - 16 year olds to ensure long term compliance are often dismissed , as they were with the so called grooming gangs.