Rupert Lowe makes Nigel Farage look like a raging leftie

Best to form ones own opinion?

No I haven't read the Koran but my vicar has and I believe what he says!!

Indeed, Chocolatelovinggran:

but if we are to "compare" both religions and the reading matter we have to look at both the Koran and the Bible as a whole, becuase the Koran has peace loving and demands to give charitably too. (if you read the details win the reference above).

Many Christians do use the old testament and always have done. Thats not a criticism, just a comment.

Sadly people will cherry pick to find what they want to justify their actions - just look at the use of the bible some right wing sects in the USA do, as regards a number of social issues.

simple example - they will pick on St Paul saying "wives obey your husbands" but miss out the many good things he did say.

These are from the Old Testament, of course, Wyllow, not the commands of Jesus.

predictive text correction
Psalm 137:9: A imprecatory psalm declaring, Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks

gwyneth28

It's all very well being a Christian to love they neighbours, but what if your neighbours are not Christian, everyone knows the Koran says all infidels must be slayed!!

Rubbish. (have you even read the bible as whole, parts are full of "justified slaying"

Its specific verses from historical indigents (just like the bible) that are warmongering.

The claim that the Koran commands that all infidels (non-Muslims) must be killed is a subject of intense debate, often centering on specific verses taken out of their historical and textual context.

They are not general, open-ended instructions to kill all non-believers.

Read on.

www.whyislam.org/what-about-verses-in-the-quran-that-encourage-you-to-kill-non-believers-wherever-you-find-them/#:~:text=“…if%20any%20one%20slew%20a,on%20Self%2DDefense%20and%20Justice

As for the bible, well.....

Deuteronomy 20:16-17: Commands the complete destruction of cities (Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites) so they do not teach detestable practices.
Joshua 6:21: Describes the annihilation of everyone in Jericho—men, women, children, and animals—by the sword.

1 Samuel 15:3: God orders King Saul to attack the Amalekites and "totally destroy all that belongs to them," sparing no one, including infants.

Psalm 137:9: A imprecatory psalm declaring, "*Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rockstar *."

Exodus 32:27: Moses commands the Levites to kill fellow Israelites after the golden calf incident: "Each man strap a sword to his side... Kill your brother and friend and neighbor."

I do have to love my neighbour, because I'm a Christian. They don't have to love me.

Of particular relevance today is Farage attempting to bring back handgun to Britain. 30 years ago today was the Dunblane killings and the bereaved parents were instrumental in having handguns banned. Forage stamps all over their grief. Vile individual

nanna8

Or international schools, or Anglican schools , or Muslim schools ( yes, we have quite a few) , Catholic Schools, Lutheran schools, Methodist Ladies Colleges, Presbyterian schools. Never heard such a ridiculous comment . Perhaps that poster would like to ban them all and have just one communist school. As in communal . People’s Republic of Britain school for all . That’d work.

Oh dear, I'm not a communist. Non Catholics attend Catholic schools for example. There will be a clear and transparent policy for who can attend.

The Hasidic Community in Broughton ( for example) have their own schools which are not part of any wider system. Muslim schools I expect something similar.

I do hope this helps clarity things.

Or international schools, or Anglican schools , or Muslim schools ( yes, we have quite a few) , Catholic Schools, Lutheran schools, Methodist Ladies Colleges, Presbyterian schools. Never heard such a ridiculous comment . Perhaps that poster would like to ban them all and have just one communist school. As in communal . People’s Republic of Britain school for all . That’d work.

sixandahalf

nanna8

You still have a situation where Jewish people are afraid and cowed by the anti Semitism around here and now. Even their schools have to be guarded now. This wasn’t the case until recently.

Why do they need their own schools?

Or Islamic schools, C of E schools, Church in Wales schools, Roman Catholic schools? 🤔

Christians don’t always love their neighbours either though, so many wars are fought in the name of religion.

It's all very well being a Christian to love they neighbours, but what if your neighbours are not Christian, everyone knows the Koran says all infidels must be slayed!!

A lot of children are at risk right now.

I would have thought that was obvious.

They don't in my view but as we have catholic schools, Christian schools etc it would be discriminatory not to. I would have thought the main concern in that sentence would be that Jewish children are at risk.

nanna8

You still have a situation where Jewish people are afraid and cowed by the anti Semitism around here and now. Even their schools have to be guarded now. This wasn’t the case until recently.

Why do they need their own schools?

You still have a situation where Jewish people are afraid and cowed by the anti Semitism around here and now. Even their schools have to be guarded now. This wasn’t the case until recently.

Thank you.

This!

Since 1930, the UK Labour Party and left-wing movements have fundamentally reshaped British society, most notably by establishing the welfare state, the NHS, and advancing social equality. Key achievements include the 1945 post-war consensus, nationalisation of key industries, legalizing social reforms (e.g., abortion, homosexuality), and introducing landmark equality legislation.

Key Labour and Left-Wing Achievements:

The Post-War Welfare State (1945–1951): Under Clement Attlee, Labour created the National Health Service (NHS), built widespread social housing, and established a comprehensive social security system, establishing the modern "cradle to grave" welfare state.

Nationalisation: Following 1945, Labour nationalised major industries including coal, electricity, gas, railways, and the Bank of England, bringing roughly a fifth of the economy under public ownership.
Social Liberalisation (1960s/70s): The Harold Wilson governments, often driven by figures like Roy Jenkins, oversaw the abolition of capital punishment (1965), legalization of abortion and homosexuality (1967), and the passing of Race Relations Acts (1965, 1968).

Equality and Rights (1997–2010): The Tony Blair/Gordon Brown governments introduced the Human Rights Act (1998), Civil Partnerships, the Equality Act (2010), and established the National Minimum Wage.
Constitutional Reform: Labour introduced devolution for Scotland and Wales, and removed most hereditary peers from the House of Lords.
Environmental & Global Action: Labour introduced the world’s first Climate Change Act and has been noted for cancelling debt for developing nations.


These achievements were often driven by strong left-wing advocacy within the party, focusing on social justice, workers' rights, and collective responsibility.

Wyllow3

The people I know involved in Palestine activism are Quakers. I'm not personally involved, but in no way are we anti-semitic It's a moral issue ands been a concern for a very long time. Quakers have in the past run projects that included both young Jewish and Palestinian people going back years and year on the basis of trying to establish interfaith understanding. (Not currently operating of course).

The centre left people I know on my Labour Party branch are not anti semetic. Our branch membership includes Jewish people. Its perfectly possible to critique a regime very strongly indeed but not a faith.

So please do not tar all with the same brush. This may be true of some very far left.

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Absolutely 💯

Maremia

What have left wingers ever done for us?
Probably not much, if you are upper class or billionaires.
However, if you enjoy or have enjoyed working conditions that we now take for granted for example, 5 day working weeks, was it the Tories who fought for that?

What have left wingers ever done for us?
The National Health Service.

What have left wingers ever done for us?
Probably not much, if you are upper class or billionaires.
However, if you enjoy or have enjoyed working conditions that we now take for granted for example, 5 day working weeks, was it the Tories who fought for that?

The people I know involved in Palestine activism are Quakers. I'm not personally involved, but in no way are we anti-semitic It's a moral issue ands been a concern for a very long time. Quakers have in the past run projects that included both young Jewish and Palestinian people going back years and year on the basis of trying to establish interfaith understanding. (Not currently operating of course).

The centre left people I know on my Labour Party branch are not anti semetic. Our branch membership includes Jewish people. Its perfectly possible to critique a regime very strongly indeed but not a faith.

So please do not tar all with the same brush. This may be true of some very far left.

M0nica

MaizieD I have seen no evidence that those who are pro-Palestinian are not anti-semitic. If that was so, then the long established Jewish population of this country would not have seen so many threats to their homes, families and jobs. no one would have forced their children not to wear their school uniform in public incase they were attacked. No synagogues would have barricades round them. Because every pro Pakestinian would know that non-Israeli jews are no part of this current war and they would have been living their lives in uiet and peace.

Who exactly are you ascribing the 'threats' to?

Perhaps we could unravel this a bit better and work out who these people from the 'left wing parties' are who are actually making these threats?

Like, which parties are you describing as 'left wing'? And, is antisemitism an official policy of each of these parties?

Can you distinguish between antisemitism and anti Zionism?

At the moment you are just throwing assertions at a very wide spectrum.